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  1. massdak

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    some bad news

    the good news is ohio will finally get its long awaited concealed carry law.
    the bad news is massdak will probably qualify as being able to pack heat.
    just kidding, i will be a very responsible concealed carry recipient.
    our governor which held out way to long finally signed the bill to let law abiding citizens the ability to protect themselves in public.
    liberals are fretting this law, and that alone makes me so very happy.
    i wish they could only be as passionate against more meaningful causes such as the unborn instead of animal rights or better judges that honor Gods word. anyway ohio will be a safer place once the dak is out and about with his ccw permit.
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  2. Jim1999

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    Another state to avoid. Dangerous with all those guns floating around in the hands of fools.

    Cheers, Safe in Canada,

    Jim
     
  3. Bible-boy

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    Dangerous? Kennesaw, GA had a fairly high crime rate due to being a metro-Atlanta suburban town. The town enacted an ordinance that requires every home owner within its jurisdiction to own a gun. Guess what happened? That's right the crime rate dropped significantly. [​IMG] HELLO!

    Criminals do not care if the state says it is a crime to have a gun. They are going to commit crimes anyway and adding the crime of have a gun to the list just does not matter to them. However, when the state (government) attempts to limit the number of guns out on the street, by placing restrictions on gun ownership all they accomplish is the removal of guns from the hands of law abiding citizens. Thus, making the law abiding citizens unarmed and at the same time making the criminal's life a bit easier because they don't have to fear that the next person they attempt to rob, rape, or kill will be armed and able to fight back.

    Two thumbs up for Ohio! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  4. Pete

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    What a nasty law...Now crime rates in surrounding states will start to climb...Ohio meanies! [​IMG]

    Glad to see some sense around somewhere on the planet [​IMG] Thanks massdak [​IMG]

    Bible-boy, you beat me to the draw on Kennesaw [​IMG]

    Kennesaw Police Department Crime Statistics link
     
  5. I Am Blessed 24

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    I agree!

    When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!

    §ue (a FOID carrying gun owner)
     
  6. Bible Believing Bill

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    While I believe that law abiding citizens shold be able to own guns. I have a problem with being required to own one. I have two small children im home, and I don't want them messing with guns. Curiosity would get the best of them at some point. Yes guns can be stored safely, with ammunition in a different place. If you are storing you weapons like that what good would they do you anyway? An unloaded gun isn't any more effective a weapon than a baseball bat, and I can use my bat to play ball with, I doubt I could hit a fast ball with gun.

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    While I believe that law abiding citizens shold be able to own guns. I have a problem with being required to own one. I have two small children im home, and I don't want them messing with guns. Curiosity would get the best of them at some point. Yes guns can be stored safely, with ammunition in a different place. If you are storing you weapons like that what good would they do you anyway? An unloaded gun isn't any more effective a weapon than a baseball bat, and I can use my bat to play ball with, I doubt I could hit a fast ball with gun.

    Bill
    </font>[/QUOTE]if three intruders came in to your home to do harm what would you rather have a baseball bat or a high capacity firearm?
     
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    Me Personally. I would have the baseball bat. I will not keep a loaded weapon in my home because I have small children. If a gun is kept in a gun safe, with a trigger lock, and unloaded what good will it do me. (and that is the only way I would have a gun in my home) By the time I can get it operational the intruders will have done what they came to do. The baseball bat is ready for action at any time.

    For you massdak? A gun might be approiate. I believe you have the right to own one, and use it in self-defense. I don't believe I should be required to own one as the community in GA has done.

    Bill
     
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    There are all kinds of safety devices available for people who want to keep a loaded gun in the house that provide quick childproof access.

    My personal favorite is the Gun Vault - "Our Exclusive No-Eyes® Key Pad gives you lightning-quick access to your weapon, even in pitch darkness."

    Check their web site - Gun Vault
     
  10. Jim1999

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    Your statistics hold water in a gun-ridden country. Destroy the guns and try for the same statistics. All the guns in hands of criminals in Canada enter from the USA, or are stolen from those citizens who own them.

    As for me, I will put my trust in the Lord for my safety, and stay away from questionable areas. We can still walk our streets without fear.

    Cheers,

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    you have just proved the point why law abiding citizens need guns, the criminals will always find a way to get them illegally. so your country has only criminals that have access to guns.
    you should lobby for the rights of law abiding citizens to saturate your country with ownership of guns.
     
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    God forbid we should teach our kids gun safety. :rolleyes:
     
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    Jim,

    Isn't it true that in Canada today, previously law abiding gun owners are now illegally resisting the restrictive gun laws of your country? To the point where the national budget for this program is stretched beyond the breaking point?
     
  14. Bible Believing Bill

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    Mike,

    Why do I need to teach them gun safety if I don't have a gun in the house?

    I have never owned a gun, and have only fired a .22 rifle at boy scout camp. I am not against the right to own guns. I am against a law that says I have to own one.

    Owning a gun is a personal choice. Just as you and massdak should have a right to own one, I should have the right not to own one.

    Bill
     
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    It's not childproof if they figure out the combonation! I will not keep a loaded gun in the house under any circumstances. If it is not loaded it is useless for quick self defense. I don't hunt, so I don't need one for that purpose.

    I am not for gun control, but you need to realize that not everyone wants to own a gun!

    Bill
     
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    Mike,

    Why do I need to teach them gun safety if I don't have a gun in the house?

    I have never owned a gun, and have only fired a .22 rifle at boy scout camp. I am not against the right to own guns. I am against a law that says I have to own one.

    Owning a gun is a personal choice. Just as you and massdak should have a right to own one, I should have the right not to own one.

    Bill
    </font>[/QUOTE]good point and most everyone would agree with you. a person should have his right to own a gun or carry a gun or not. alot of liberal people would like to refuse a persons rights, that seems to be a problem. when you have people that would impose a mandatory destruction of all firearms then that would be a danger to society.
     
  17. BillyMac

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    What is needed most is making the ccw into a federal statute rather than a state by state ordinance. Tell me, is your drivers license good in all 50 states??? It is a state issued licensure. The same thing needs to happen with all concealed weapons permits. All states need to honor the issuing states credentualing. Otherwise what you run into is when you cross state lines, you are automatically breaking the law unless your weapon is secured at home. We Augustans have that problem when we pass across the Savannah River from Georgia into South Carolina. A matter of a few hundred feet turns us from legal to illegal.

    We had an incident some years ago here in town where a group of Muslims were handing out a printed newspaper of propaganda at a local intersection. They were causing a traffic hazard, and did not have a permit to conduct such an event. The local county Sheriff's Office responded with a female officer to require these people to come into compliance with the law. She was alone, and when she confronted the law breakers, they ignored her orders as if "she" didn't matter. At some point, in an effort to forcefully remove one Muslim from the street, a scuffle resulted and the officer was disarmed by the Muslim and her weapon tossed into a storm drain. A concerned citizen having witnessed this blatant disrespectful event, got out of his vehicle and drew down on the assailant while the released officer radioed for back-up. The armed citizen saved the day and all three lawbreakers were taken into custody. Had that armed citizen not acted or had not been armed, a different scenario might have erupted.

    While I personally don't carry, I believe that arming responsible citizens with the ability defend and protect others as well as themselves in not a bad idea. I only wish that there was as effective a weapon that did not have the capability to exact lethal force. Disabling or limiting an opponent seems more to my liking than acting with deadly force without the badge to back it up.
     
  18. j_barner2000

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    You see Bro Jim... Our constitution grants us the right to bear arms. It is a protection against tyrants and criminals. I refuse to relinquish that right.

    Brother Bill, my daughters have grown up in a house where they have had access to my firearms from the time they could aim them. I had a nice piece of land (I miss Michigan) and had a target area set up. They could ask me any time to go out and shoot. After a couple of times they have no curiosity toward them.

    My best friend's dad when I was growing up was a Detroit cop... When he saw the curiosity I exhibited toward his firearms, he asked my parents' permission and took me to a firing range. We shot for over an hour. I have a healthy respect (and hope the same experience has been instilled into my daughters) for the power of firearms.

    I respect your decision to have a gun free home, but you may want to enroll your kids into a gun safety course and let them shoot if the opportunity arrises just so they can lose the Mystique that most often causes accidental shootings involving kids.
     
  19. Mike McK

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    Because going by your logic, every gun is a potential child killer and sooner or later, chances are they're going to run into one.

    So then, are you really the best person to lecture the rest of us, most of whom have learned how to handle a firearm correctly, on gun saftey?
     
  20. Bible Believing Bill

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    Mike,

    I think you have missed my point. I am not against guns. My responses are an argument to the GA Law REQUIRING all homeowners to own a gun.

    Gun safety educations is a necessity if you have guns in your home. I know guns can be stored and handled safely by responsible people.

    My point is that I shold not be REQUIRED to own a gun if I don't want to, just as you should not be REQUIRED to give up your guns.

    If I came across as lecturing then I apologize for that, as it was not my intent.

    And to J_barner - You are certianlly give a great example of teaching kids about guns. I don't see it as being an issue in my home, but my brother-in-law is a big hunter so I can't say the issue will never come up. When it does come up I will have not problem with my brother-in-law teaching the kids about guns.

    For those of you who misunderstood me. I am not anti-gun, I am not for gun control, I simply don't like to be REQUIRED to own a gun!

    Bill
     

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