I never Knew you, depart from Me !

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    Matt 7:22-23

    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Those who Jesus will utter these momentous words to, I never knew you, though they had been extremely religious, professed believers in Him, yet they never really trusted in Him..

    For Nahum 1:7 says:

    7The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

    Many today, who say they Trust in Jesus Christ for salvation as per Eph 1:12-13

    12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

    13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    Yet it was all lip service, for if you examine their testimony, they really did not Trust the Jesus Christ of the bible for the salvation He wrought out for His elect, but they trusted in their freewill decision in the false Christ who died for every single individual in the world without exception, thereby making their salvation possible.

    They did not Trust in the Christ who ensured by His death, the salvation of all the Sheep, and them only, but for that Christ who done all he could to save you, but now its left up to you to get saved..

    It is to these that the Lord Jesus Christ, in that Day [ Judgment Day] will say " I never knew you ", this will be those whose names were never written in the Lambs book of Life.. Rev 21:27

    And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

    lest He lied when He states He never knew them or He does not know those whose names are written in His book of Life.

    Notice that Jesus says or does not say, I once knew you, but now I do not ! Jesus is intimating that He never was in a covenantal relationship with them, which means He did not shed His Covenant blood for them, hear Jesus words :

    Matt 26:28

    28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Luke 22:20

    Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


    See the intimacy with His chosen disciples, he stating that His blood was shed for them personally, He knew them intimately as He does all for whom His blood was Shed..

    He shed His blood and rose again as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

    20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

    Now He knows His Sheep Jn 10:14

    I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

    So, if He tells them in Matt 7:23, I never knew you, and yet He died for them as His Sheep, then He lied..which of course is out of the question since the word says of Him [see 1 Pet 2:22 & Isa 53:9].

    So this would also exclude them for the effects of the blood of the everlasting covenant, since it was shed by Him as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, which Sheep He knew [ Jn 10:14]


    Folks, Jesus saying that to them " I never knew you ", He is simply saying that He never died for them, He never shed His Covenant Blood for them, and consequently, all they did in His Name, was vain and works of iniquity, for they never really trusted in him..
     
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    Take out the eisegeted bold phrases and you have it right.
     
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    MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

    PSALMS 119 [113] I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.[114] Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word.[115] DEPART FROM ME, YE EVILDOERS: FOR I WILL KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF MY GOD.[116] Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.

    Seems there will be many people who will be saying “I believe” when Jesus returns. Who had talked of Jesus and spoke in his name. Some that even have cast out devils in the name of Jesus. But “in that day” Jesus will say to “the many”, depart from me...I never knew you.

    TITUS 1 [13] This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; [14] Not giving heed to Jewish fables, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, that turn from the truth. [15] Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being abominable, AND DISOBEDIENT, and unto every good work reprobate.

    In Titus you will find people that profess they know God (they say they believe) but in works they deny Him. They do not know God.

    1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

    So according to scripture it is just not enough to simply say you believe. Theres a lot more to it.

    After all....

    JAMES 2 [17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. [18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. [19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, and tremble.
     
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    These are COMMANDMENT KEEPERS that Christ said "I NEVER knew you" as they confessed to be workers of righteousness, keepers of God's commandments.

    What they confessed to have done "many wonderful works" in the name of Christ, Christ defines as "workers of iniquity."

    When you reject the righteous works of Christ as the full satisfation of the Law of God in your behalf but attempt to do as these did - MIX together their works with faith in Christ - it is like mixing mud with clean water.

    These are those who have a very beautiful house of commandment keeping in the eyes of men but it is built upon a MIXTURE as that is what SAND is - a mixture which does not hold together just as your law keeping plus faith in Christ does not hold together.

    Christ and his satisfaction of the law's righteous by HIS OWN WORKS in behal of the sinner ALONE is the true foundation to build our house of obedience upon.

    There was no difference in the houses, no difference in the water that fell or the floods that rose. The difference is in the FOUNDATION upon which you build your house (life).

    These religious law keepers where attempting to gain entrance into heaven BASED UPON the foundation of "Lord, Lord....." PLUS "Have we not done many wonderful works.

    You cannot mix YOUR OBEDIENCE to the law with faith in Christ's obedience to the Law as the foundation for justification in the day of judgement:

    Gal. 3:12 And the law is not of faith:
     
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    He never knew their sins !

    Jesus will say to many professors of religion, very sincere people in that day of Judgment, " I never knew you " depart from me, ye that work iniquity..Matt 7:22-23


    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Amongst what this means is He never bore their sins or iniquties as in Isa 53:6,11

    6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    He knows His Sheep Jn 10

    11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    Seeing how these things are so closely related, Christ knowing His Sheep, and bearing their iniquities, then for Him to say I never knew you, is saying, I never bear your iniquities.

    Isa 53 :8

    8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

    He died or bore the sins of His People, of Gods People, so why would He say to any of them, I never knew you ?

    Those He died for, He bare their sins in His own body on the Tree 1 Pet 2:24

    Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    How could He have done this ? How could He have bare their sins in His own body, and yet proclaim to them, I never Knew you ?

    Jesus knew those for whom sins He would die Lk 22:20

    20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

    Jesus knows all those that are His 2 Tim 2:19

    Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    Those whom Christ died for, will depart from iniquity because by the obedience of one, many shall be made righteous rom 5:19b

    so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    When those He died for are made righteous, by His obedience, they shall depart from iniquity..

    Hence, they can never be called ye workers of iniquity..all their iniquities have been blotted out of the way, washed away by the blood, to be remembered no more Heb 8:12

    12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


    Now ask yourself, did Christ remember the iniquities of them He says, I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity ? Sure He did..So He did not die for them..
     
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    You answer it. Your works on here are not very profitable. What will he say to you? What is the one main evidence that you would give God if he were to ask you: "Why should I allow you into my heaven?"
     
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    Originally Posted by Chowmah
    MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

    Mr Walters writes
    These are COMMANDMENT KEEPERS that Christ said "I NEVER knew you" as they confessed to be workers of righteousness, keepers of God's commandments.

    Dr Walters,
    No where in the scripture above does it say they were commandment keepers. You sure do like to see things that aint there. Ya wanna see the commandment keepers just read scripture below

    1 JOHN 5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
     
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    HEBREWS 11 [28] THROUGH FAITH HE KEPT THE PASSOVER, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

    Surely you are justified {forgivin your sins} by the grace of God alone. Does that give you the right to make Gods law void? If you were stopped by a cop for speeding and he decides to have mercy on you and does not give you a ticket for speeding, do you then say to yourself you need not follow any of the traffic laws
     
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    Just a question: Are you saying that if a person believed that Jesus blood was shed for the whole world and not just for the elect that they are trusting in a false Christ and could not be saved until they believed that Jesus death was only for the elect?
     
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    Anyway, doesn't "knew" imply a sexual relationship?
     
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    It seems to me that only a portion out of the context of the whole is being looked at by the op He quotes these passages
    When the greater context of the discourse is
    There is nothing about this passage that indicates anything about "Trust". In fact its clearly about doing the will of the father and putting Jesus words into practice. Because if you don't do that no matter how many miracles are "done" in God's name or "prophesy" is done in God's name if its useless to you. Apply what Jesus said to your life and do God's will.
     
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    He never Loved them. For Christ to tell some that He never knew them, and this word knew denoting intimacy, then Jesus is saying I never Loved you. For He Loved His Bride and Church and gave His Life for it, so He knew her and Loved her..Eph 5:25

    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved or knew the church, and gave himself for it;
     
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    How do you know which category you fit into?
    1. When he says "I never loved you." or
    2. When he loves his bride.

    How do you know if you are a part of the bride or if he will say "I never knew you?

    This is the heart of the topic isn't it: "I never knew you." But how do you know?
     
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    1 John teaches that you can know if you continue to do good works.
     
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    dhk:

    There you go, making this a personal issue. This is not about me. This thread is about what Jesus said.
     
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    Right on.
    In the light of what Jesus said: "Depart from I never knew you," how can you be sure you will not be in that group"? How can anyone be sure?
     
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    The reprobates ! 2 Cor 13:5

    2 Cor 13:5

    5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    Those whom Jesus Christ will say these words to " I never knew you, depart from me" are the reprobates, those He never died for, He never Loved, and those who had been rejected by God.

    The word reprobate is the greek word adokimos and means:


    not standing the test, not approved

    a) properly used of metals and coins

    2) that which does not prove itself such as it ought

    a) unfit for, unproved, spurious, reprobate

    The word is also translated rejected as in Heb 6:8

    8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

    Whereas, those God Loved, and for whom Christ died, they have been since before the world began, accepted in the beloved by grace per Eph 1:4-7

    4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    God made us that way, that is accepted in the beloved..He made us Highly favored in the beloved according as He chose us in Him Eph 1:4

    4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    You see, the reprobates, could have never been one of these chosen and accepted and loved in Christ before the foundation of the world. That status comes purely by Grace, noting we have done in and of ourselves makes us accepted in Christ..

    So the reprobates, are the rest of mankind that was excluded and rejected from being of the Chosen in Christ..Those are the ones in spite of their religious efforts and sincerity will hear the words of Christ, I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity, speaking of their religious endeavors..
     
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    You quote 2Cor.13:5 and subtly combine it with the words of Jesus in Mat.7, without giving the reference. The one has nothing to do with the other.
    2Cor.13:5 was written to Christians.
    The passage in Mat.7 was written about false teachers.
    You have juxtaposed them both together making them teach one truth wresting Scripture out of context.
     
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    Thats your opinion !

    Yes, who say they are in the faith, and believe they are. In the last day they will say Matt 7:22-23

    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
     
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    Jesus was warning his disciples, his followers. False teachers already know they are teaching false doctrine, just as atheists already know they are teaching "there is no God," an anti-Christian.
    I am sure that Benny Hinn knows that his nine-person "trinity" doctrine is a false doctrine according to historic Christianity, according to the basic definition of the trinity, but he teaches it anyway, and leads others to believe it as well.
    It is this type of teacher that Christ is referring to. He is a false teacher, and no doubt he knows it. His purpose is to make money, not to tell the truth of Christianity. And he will hear those words "Depart from me ye that work iniquity."
    Read the context of Mat.7
     

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