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Discussion in 'Bible Versions/Translations' started by SRBooe, Dec 23, 2010.

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  1. SRBooe

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    I have good friends who will read only the KJV bible.

    All this discussion and all my reading has taught me a few things on the subject, so I guess I am wanting to state the obvious.

    My friends have devoted over 20 years into learning from the KJV, some more than 30 years. They can quote verses and their bibles are highlighted and annotated with personal notes. They "know" what the KJV says.

    Now, someone wants to tell them that their Bible is not accurate.

    And we wonder why they are upset with this accusation?

    Should we really be doing this to them? Can not they be good Christian people using the KJV only? Can not they be walking the narrow path, even using their KJV?

    Despite what I think I now understand, I will not even discuss it with them unless they initiate the conversation. I will applaud the years they have devoted to learning their Bibles and let them be.
     
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    That's wonderful.

    It's not news. The information has been out for quite a while now. It shouldn't discourage them. They can still be saved and grow in their Christian lives using the KJV.

    All translations are marred because humans make Bible translations. Translations are approximations.They shouldn't be upset. They just need to wake-up to reality.

    What? Tell them the truth? We should never hesitate to tell the truth.

    My answer is affirmative to both questions.

    Okay.
     
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    No one here is against the KJV itself, SRBooe. While most (including me) do know that the KJV is not perfect, none of us condemn it.

    What the vasy majority of us here oppose, however, is the false man-made doctrine that the KJV is perfect and God's only word.
     
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    I think that Trotter said it well.

    Use the KJV. Make it your only Bible. It is sufficient.

    But to say that IT ALONE is God's Word is to walk into something akin to heresy. Even the original translators did not say anything at all like that.

    Speaking of the Holy Scriptures, the original translators say this:

    About the need for translation:

    About translations into other languages:

    About Roman Catholic resistance to translations in "vulgar" (common) languages:

    About being satisfied in the efforts of earlier translation efforts:

    Reliance on the eariler versions (corrected as needed by accurate study):

    SEE NEXT POST
     
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    CONTINUED FROM ABOVE

    Translations ARE the Word of God:

    Rationale for WHY translations are the Word of God:

    The use of earlier faulty translations:

    That translations are NOT perfect, and may need to be ammended:

    Why a new English translation?

    The use of ALL available resources in the translation effort:

    The use of marginal notes to deal with problematic words, found once in the original text, of difficulty in translating, etc.:

    About preciseness of particular words from the original texts:

     
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    Amen. I agree, it is wise to not bring it up it unless they initiate the conversation.

    I suppose by "understand" you mean that you can sympathize with their preceived situation: that they have soley invested in one version and now they have been suddenly alerted that it has flaws.

    And therein lies the problem: that they once were taught and believed that it was 'perfect'. That perception should have never been perpetuated. It certainly was not the postion of the KJV translators, the Reformers, or early Baptists. (Perhaps their refusal to read anything other than the KJV is really a sign of an obsession)

    If I had married my wife under the delusion that she was 'perfect' and 20 or more years later was made aware of her shortcomings then I also may have been shocked into denial. (Fortunately, my wife actually IS perfect)

    Of course the KJV can be a good English text for any Christian.
     
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    Perhaps you'd like to qualify that comment Franklin. There are a good number of non-English speaking Christians in the world. Even those with rudimentary English skills -- the KJV would be an ill-advised version for them to attempt to read -- much less study. I just bought another NIrV today for someone. I haven't presented it yet. Thankfully it doesn't have cartoons and junk. It is being branded for ESL Bible readers.

    Even for many native English speakers --especially the unchurched -- the KJV is inadequate for the task. I think the KJV revisers would be rolling in laughter that 400 years later some die-hard folks are touting it as the be-all and end-all of Bible translations. It was good for its time -- but that time is well past. There are too many excellent English versions for folks to use which would serve them in a practical way in this 21 century.
     
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    Please note that I did not address the people in the camp of those who believe that the KJV is the ONLY Bible worth reading.

    I am merely stating that it is wrong to initiate fights with people over it.

    Some like the fights more than others.
     
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    I had heard the rumor that there were 2 perfect wives. It is nice to meet the guy that got the other one.:thumbs:
     
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    That would be me... :love2:
     
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    SrBooe, in my experience it has been the other way around. It was the KJVO folks who wanted to educate me, without my invitation, as to my supposed deficiency concerning God's word.
     
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    Oh, I know that there are those folks on both ends of the discussion. At one time, I would have been one of them.

    I choose not to fight about it.
     
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    That has been my experience also, I usually will no even give them the time of day on it.
     
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    I never argued with them. They are so indoctrinated in the rightness of thier position that debate is pointless. Now here, it's a different story when it is evident that there is an agenda poromoting KJVonlyism.
     
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    Would you also say that there is an agenda when promoting dynamic equivalence, too?

    I'm trying to see what agenda KJV-only would serve, but I can't grasp it. Perhaps you could help?

    As I said before, the ONLY purpose for KJV-only that I can perceive is that someone may not want to feel like they spend years studying an error-filled version of the Bible.
     
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    I've been trying to wean myself off of this forum, but since you asked:

    The purpose of the KJVO agenda? I'm going to be blunt here- it is the same agenda as any false doctrine has- to direct people away from the truth.

    Ask almost any non-KJVO missionary and they will tell you about the havoc wreaked on foreign fields by those (perhaps well-meaning but mis-guided) who come and tell folks that "They don't have a Bible."

    It destroys faith instead of building it. It tears churches, families, and discussion boards apart. And [Bluntness on] it is not of God [/Bluntness off].
     
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    I'm not KJVO, but I could make the same statement about the hundreds of different Bible versions out there. They lead to confusion, doubt, and I believe are the CAUSE of KJVO. Common sense tells me they ALL cannot be the "Word of God" when they differ so much, yet I continue to watch people argue that they are.
     
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    Pop goes the weasel.
     
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