IF A Church Does NOT Support Missions, isnt That Sin?

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  1. JesusFan

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    Asking, because a friend of mine once drove by to his church a Baptist Church that did NOT even budget for missionaries, has those who god has saved, He will save!
     
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    Matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

    If they are not "going", then I'd say "yes".
     
  3. Iconoclast

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    That is an unbiblical response.God ordains means;
    this is the gospel spoken of in isa 52,53. 54,
     
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    So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:17-18

    5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,
    6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
    23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister. Col 1

    Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal, but now is manifested, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known unto all the nations unto obedience of faith: Ro 16:25-26

    Which mission society was responsible for the above? It seems I can't find it mentioned anywhere in the scriptures.
     
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  5. Luke2427

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    I think it is the gravest of sins to not aggressively pursue the noblest of all tasks which is Exalting the King and Expanding the Kingdom.

    The Great Commission is the same today as it was in Adam's day- multiply those that bear the image of Christ and fill the earth with that image and subdue the earth bearing the image of Christ and have dominion over it.

    We do that by passionately, pointedly, powerfully preaching the unadulterated Gospel of Christ.

    We don't do that by political means.
    We don't do that by physical force.

    We do it by aggressively launching the Gospel into the all the market places of ideals in all the world and letting the Gospel do it's supernatural work in the hearts of men.
     
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    Means for what Icon?

    Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Ro 10:13

    Do you believe the above passage means:

    Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be born from above?

    Or:

    Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be regenerated?

    Or:

    Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be made alive?

    Show sozo [saved] to be used in the eternal sense here. And the passage you're using is incomplete, I'll add the rest:

    14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    15 and how shall they preach, except they be sent? even as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that bring glad tidings of good things!
    16 But they did not all hearken to the glad tidings. For Isaiah saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
    17 So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
    18 But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world.
    19 But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation, With a nation void of understanding will I anger you.
    20 And Isaiah is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I became manifest unto them that asked not of me.
    21 But as to Israel he saith, All the day long did I spread out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people. Ro 10

    Who sent these? Who empowered them so that 'their sound went out into all the earth'?

    The entire chapter is concerning Israel after the flesh and it's Paul's heart's ernest desire that his kinsman would be saved (read, brought into the kingdom).

    The context of the chapter is not about the birth that comes from the Jerusalem that is above.
     
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    And it's incumbent upon all Churches to do this through mission boards and societies?
     
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    ""Spread the gospel, and if you have to, use words."
     
  9. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Yea....dont make me vomit:mad:
     
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    Amen :smilewinkgrin: Sorry, had to say that LOL
     
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    No.

    It expands from local church outwards like this:

    Local Church responsible for its community and to work with other local churches to reach its county (just for example) which work with a larger body of local churches reaching their country and working with the universal church to reach the uttermost parts of the earth.

    By "reach" I simply mean to preach the Gospel to.

    Mission boards can be an effective way of doing this. They are obviously not the only way. They can also be a very inefficient means of doing this. I don't care how you do it so long as you do it working with the rest of the Body of Christ across the earth to take the earth for Christ.

    I agree with your assessment of the Romans passage, btw.
     
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    Yea nice sentiment but I dont see any Baptist churches in my area do it. They do talk & glorify in it though. When it comes to actually doing it though......no where to be found. DEAD CHURCHES.
     
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    You know I think the world of you. You know I think you have one of the sharpest, most naturally gifted minds on BB.

    But this statement could be a slight detriment to the Great Commission.

    The Great Commission is about words- the Words of God- the word of the Gospel- the words of Christ.

    The Great Commission is not about lifestyle- it's not about inviting folks to barbeque's, and being an extra sweet guy until somebody asks you why you are such a fine fella, etc... (though there is nothing wrong with doing that so long as you are not looking to unreasonably postpone the actual communication of the Gospel)

    We have a message to proclaim and to persuade men, women, girls and boys that it is true- that Jesus Christ is Lord.

    The best means to do so is WORDS. Certainly our life should match our words but the power is not in our lives- the power is in the message- the Gospel. Our lives should be good vehicles whereby we can transport the Gospel effectively, but the power is not in the vehicle- it's in the Gospel- the message which consists of words.
     
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    But there are baptist churches that are doing it. We could name hundreds I suppose, but John MacArthur is doing it. He pastors one of the largest churches on earth. They Baptize and begin a rigorous discipleship training of dozens of people each week.

    David Platt in Birmingham Alabama is doing it.

    We could go on and on.
     
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    Here is another way to say it Luke...."Actions speak louder than words"
     
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    The church I attend has two couples from our church that are planting churches in Mexico and South America. They are members of our church but go out as ambassadors for Christ. We support them financially as well as spiritually. We also support several other missionaries throughout the world that have asked for help.

    Every penney of every dollar i give goes to them, it is not eroded away by the administration of a mission board.

    Though some on here may say that since we are IFB that we are spreading "darkness", I am proud of the support we give and the contribution we make towards the carrying of the gospel throughout the world.

    All churches are not dead....yet.

    John
     
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    I really shouldn't be doing this, I'm short on time, have to go pick up a trackhoe, but, I HAVE had direct one on one experience with a mission society that the non denom group I once belonged to supported, and to be honest, it was disheartening to see the bickering and complaints that were among them. EVERYBODY wants to evangelize Bermuda, no one wants to go to Pippipasses, KY.

    I helped to support a friend of mine who went to the Philipines as a Wyclife tranalator and translated the books of Luke and Acts into one of the (something like) 87 dialects of that nation. I also financially supported Oneida Baptist Institute, right here in my back yard for years, which was NOT a mission, but a homespun accomplishment amongst the natives intended to teach their children to love one another and stop the fueding. It's not neccesary ro belong to an organized mission society in order to spread the gospel.

    [Edit] And one other thing, it was local Hardshell Baptists that were at the forefront in building the school at Oneida.
     
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    All I see is the people I come in contact with each & every day & they are sliding into non belief, so where are the churches for those people? Im beginning to think your full of it.
     
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    This is so true. I am disabled, but I work several hours a week at our local gospel mission. Bermuda is a great place to evangelise, but there are many unchurched people right here at home that need to hear the gospel.

    When I mentioned the missionaries that we support overseas I forgot about the fact that my pastor is the Chairman of the Board of our local gospel mission. And our deacon is the business manager of it. I am a volunteer there.

    John
     
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    You need to be honest ST. I have said clearly and repeatedly MANY IFBs- not ALL.

    It is morally wrong to misrepresent another's statements. It is literally breaking one of the Ten Commandments- bearing false witness.

    You have every right to fight against me- but you are morally obligated by God himself to represent me honestly as you do.
     

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