If Jesus came to a Bapist Church would they Crucify him.

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  1. Joseph shall add

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    It is been my experence that the baptist are of such terperment that if Christ came preachering in a Baptist church they would Crucify him like they do 50 percent of the population.
    I was threatened by a Baptist adminstrator today myself.
    And the reason is what, I was accused of telling the word of God wrongly or hersey, Or not believeing like the he does. Or reading the bible. Or actually studying the bible, Or actually walking with Christ and God the Father. Or Not using the word of God. Not quoting scripture.
    Jesus Christ knew the word of God and the "Baptist" scribes of that day crucified him. I just had to put the Baptist in there. But it is about right.
    So I am going to address the Adminstrators concerns. First off real bible teachers do not spoon feed, the sheep of the Lord. Quoting scripture is sometime not needful and sometimes is needful. Example I am not here to one up someone. People grow at different rates. The Bible tells us Love does not accuse. I was Accused.
    Scripture: Galations 4:6 Because you are sons, God has send forth "The Spirit of His Son" into your hearts, crying out, "Abba Father". This is the Holy Spirit of Promise"
    By which all are baptisted into one Body. Scripture 1 Cor 12:13
    For by one Spirit ( the Spirit of the Son ) we were baptisted into one Body. Now for the slow of understanding or the weak of mind we are called Christians because we have Christ own spirit living in us, and are redeemed by Christ spirit. He is the redeemer of mankind. Christ Spirit not Father Gods Spirit has given us life who were dead in sin. Father God send him into our body to bring us back from death (the sin state). At the time of salvation.
    Supporting scripture Ephesians 4:4 There is one body (the body of all believers ( Body of Christ )) And one Spirit, (all beleivers must have the Spirit of the Son or they are not his), just as you were called in one hope of your calling. One Lord
    (the Lord Jesus Christ), One Faith (Faith in Christ) One Baptism ((Speaking directly of Gal 4:6) Baptisted into Christ & also speaking of Romans 6:3) One God and Father of all. =>Who is above all, and throught all and =>in you all.
    These scriptures indicate that you have the spirit of Jesus Christ living in you and the spirit of God the Father living in you. Jesus said he will never depart from you nor leave you. He is speaking of the fact that his spirit has been grafted unto the spirit of the Christians. God grafts you into the Kingdom by sending Christ Spirit into you spirit. Thus Christ indeed can't leave you, he became a part of Your Eternal Spirit.
    The Fathers Spirit is different from the Sons Spirit. And the Fathers spirit can leave you at will. Jesus said I and the Father are one. And they are one, one in spirit and one in truth and one in unity. Christ was taken out of the heart/bossem of the Father and became man that he could redeem man.
    In so doing he became a life giving spirit, God the Father used Christ Spirit to redeem because he was sinnless. Not with standing the Father Spirit will not abide in sin because he would kill you becasue he can't contact or look upon sin. Jesus the son of God, on the other hand became sin for your sake that he could live in you.
    So you are redeemed by the Spirit of the Son, When you become holy you can have the HOLY SPIRIT OF THE FATHER.
    So indeed there are to different manifestation of the Spirit of God and two persons of the God head being shown. In these scriptures.
    Jesus the Christ is the model/example Son of God, He looks like this. He was born with his spirit and gained the Holy Spirit who fall upon him as a dove. Doves are simple birds they abide were it is peaceful and calm. Notice that the dove came down and lighted upon Christ shoulder. Luke 3:22, Isaiah 9:6 and the Government shall be upon His Shoulder
    In the case of the Dove ( Holy Spirit ) as a example of how all this works. In the first Temple made with skins. God the Fathers Holy Spirit came in and went out of the temple. When the people and priest ticked off God and refused to live a sinless life the Spirit of God left them moved out of the temple. That first earthly temple is also a forshowing of salvation in many ways.
    In the prophet Zecharia 6: 12 & 13 The prophets speaks about this. In the Last sentence "And the counsel of pease shall be between them both. The Spirit of the Son and the Spirit of the Father. When peace leaves a christian so does the Fathers Holy Spirit.
    Of the baptisms we are told about Matt 3:11 He will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and Fire. That indicates the Spirit of Promise ( the Spirit of Jesus ) and the Spirit of the Father ( a consuming fire )
    Jesus in Luke 4:1 no longer has the dove setting on his shoulder. "Then Jesus being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was lead by the Spirit into the wilderness." There has be a positional change in the location of the Holy Spirit. From head to heart is how I like to view it.
    Jesus walk is the walk of all christians. He is the example. It is not a baptist example, not a lutheran and not a catholic example. So Jesus was equiped for the work ahead and empowered with the Fathers Holy Spirit who was living in him.
    Power has come into him.
    In the bible which I know you all read. We are warned not to Blaspheme the Holy Spirit, it will not be foregiven. When you denounce the actually scriptures of God concerning his workings you are far from the truth and understanding. I propose that you back up and take your time and consider in wisdom the actual source of the knowledge, your final destiny could be affected.
    A three fold chord is not easily broken. In a christian lives the "Spirit of the Son of God" he is called by many names he is the "Spirit of Promise". And he lives with his Father Spirit the Holy Spirit who also lives in a mature Christian. In affect you are a trinity also, Your spirit, Christ Spirit and Father Gods Spirit. Thus it is written your body is the temple of God.
    Now from the begaining of time men such as myself have look in on things of this nature. Because we enjoy knowing the work of God. Weather you understand these things or not is not the real issue. Men who are seeking knowledge will find it. Men who seek truth will get truth. The Holy Spirit is who provides the Body of Christ with Truth. If you do not have the HOLY SPIRIT OF THE FATHER you will not be walking in truth.
    When he comes you will have all knowledge and understanding and power. So I have given scripture to prove what I have said. Acts 1:8 But you shall recieve power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you. Shoulder as in the dove.
    Acts 2:4 Filled with the Holy Spirit. Head to heart again.
    The bible tells us that what was will be and what is has already happened. The apostles also refered back to the things of the past to point to the reference of the current happenings. And Christ also did that, as it was in the days of Noah it shall be in the time right before my coming. In the days of Noah men and woman were mocking the scriptures which is what has gone on here.
    Jesus said John 8:7 He who believes in Me, as the Scriptures has said, out of his heart will flows rivers of living waters. And I am such a person.
    Living waters are do not stink to high heaven, they are gounded in truth and the spirit of God.
    I have been accused of evil, by a adminstrator. Christ instruction is be slow to anger and accuse no one.
    In acts 19 the picture of the modern Baptist church is shown clearly for all. Acts 19:2 He said to them. "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit. dischord Into what were you baptised? Into John" baptism. PAULS great BAPTIST revelation as I like to refer to it. 19:4 John Indeed baptised with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
    When they heard these things they were baptised and Paul laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tounges and prophesied. In laymans terms they were saved but did not have the HOLY SPIRIT.
     
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    I was also threatened with being banded from the foume and called a oneness penticostal. Which I do not know how to take because I do not know anything about them. The reason for the threat is hard to understand no one was upset in the post, no name calling and no none sence. The topic was about ARE THE BAPTIST the NEW AGE CHURCH. It is a valid topic worthy of research.
    The bible in Romans 8:6 states For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is live and peace.
    Sone one ask about the earths age. Psa 68:33 Heavens of heavens of old, 2 Pe 3:5 heavens were of old and the earth with them. psa 102:25 of Old. The earth and the heavens are of great age. Christians must come to gain knowledge to win a dieing world. You know some science if correct, not all. The rock we live on is old. Now I have also reference the forth day of creation in Genisus which i should expand upon so you get a better feel of the whole matter. Between the 3 and 4 days of creations. When God created the lights of the heavens IN Gen 1:16 we most often just call these two great lights the moon and the sun. It is logical and seems straight forward.
    Actually these are not the moon or the sun. Light was created on the day one. These are called rulers lights. This is speaking about the two lights being send into the world The Light of the Son of God and the Light of the Holy Spirit. The reason this happend between the 3 and 4 day. Is because God has assigned man a period of 6000 years on the planet. Or 6 days in God time frame. On the 7th day his sons reign will be hailed in. On the 4 day the light came to be, Right before Jesus came God did not speak for 380 to 400 years.
    In the case of these two lights God did not speak he made them. These are spirtual light and not natural lights. God spoke the natural lights into existence. But these he made.
    Himself. As in Jesus in the womb of Mary. Which happened between the 3 and 4 day of mankind. And he assigns these lights as rulers. The sun and moon do not rule. Rulers he created them. Scripture also tell us God is Light and Jesus also said I am Light. It stands to reason that God points to Jesus even in the book of creation and he even points to the Holy Spirit. More over as the scriptures declare that Jesus was slain from the foundations of the earth. You would expect to see a mention of him in the creation account. And you do he is the Lesser Light the Holy Spirit is the greater light. I base that of Jesus Words. it is good that I go for I shall send you a greater then myself. So Jesus called himself a lesser light in a way.
    When you do not have the Holy Spirit of God then you do not have the ability to understand these things in fullness. The veil is still in place. Between you and God. Thus when i point you to the Holy Spirit I am not accusing you, I am pointing to you helper. As Christ did also. As the Apostles did. If you are offended because I teach the full council of Gods word, you might need to look into that.
    The testimony of salvation is not God only concern with the body of Christ. God desires that you be conformed to the image of Christ. He also demands outright that you develope a relationship with him. Of a imtinate nature. That can't be done in a half hearted attempt to look holy on the outside. It is done in truth and in surrender. And you can run the race your way and cross over the finish line.
    I come from a long line of Baptist, My grandfather was a eposile read by many. He was a evanlgist across a long mountian range. And he never taught me one scripture. God teaches us via the HOLY SPIRIT. In the old testiment: a people who were not my people have become my people and I have become there God and they shall have no need for a teacher for I shall become there teacher. This is speaking of the Fathers Holy Spirit.
    So now I have answered in scripture. Ban me if you wish. Because just as you reject the Gifts of God, You also reject the messangers of God. Just as you reject Holyness you reject he who is Holy. When you cast off the truth you are worthless salt worthy of no honor and not fit for any good service to the Lord.

    I think Paul would have said it like this. Today you need look no further then a few feet down the street to see the wickedness of most baptist, You enjoy beating people with your tounges, you enjoy wounding people in a pretence of holyness. You like to judge people when you yourselfs will not even judge your own actions. You gang up that your sins are clearly seen by all. You attack that your sins may be covered. You derail those who are entering in that they may be as you. You serve your master and not the Master. Full of dead mens bones, with out any understanding. Full of pride.
    With out power, in bondage and full of fear and hate. Always attacking and allways quick to sin and slow to repent. Still born and full of wickedness and rebellion. Detached from the TRUTH. Case out as unfit and disobident.

    You know Paul had his problems. Of course I am not Paul.
    So I will pray for your LOVE to be prefected. I will also pray that you get into the game because with out the Holy Spirit you are running a race to no were. He who resist the Holy Spirit also resist him who created him and sent him. He who denounces the Holy Spirit is close to hell fire, dawnmation and eternal seperation.

    God is not a man, He is God it is his way or the Highway.
    He who give you the gift of salvation can also give you eternal life in hell. Eternal life in heaven or hell. Is the real Question. God is not mocked.
     
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    Welcome to the Baptist Board Joseph, there's a certain crowd here that treat everyone like you describe if you don't agree with them. They even turn on each other every-so-often.

    I may not agree with some of the things you say and I haven't addressed anything you have said, but I can be Christian enough to agree we disgree.
     
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    I believe that is why we study and interact to gain knowledge and develope in truth. God has told me to each so I shall. Communication is about people casting out different ideas and being allowed to gain prospective.
     
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    Having trouble believing you do not understand the implications of your statements and how others would take them. You are either trying to deceive others or very immature. Either way your posts are incorrect and inappropriate.
     
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    How many are in the Godhead?
     
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    I believe your were asked to NOT post in the Baptist only sections since you are pushing the Oneness pentecostal heresy...

    I guess you feel no remorse for not honoring authority.

    Too bad you Pentecostals can't obey rules..
    Oh well, I'm not surprised.. After all, you twist the Gospel of Jesus Christ into a Hellish doctrine, and try to bind people who have been set free to your false doctrines...
     
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    Not surprising you would welcome a false prophet among us.
     
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    Tiny's binding remarks no doubt.
     
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