If nationalized health care is soooooo bad...

We do, of a sorts.

Those who can afford it come to the United States for healthcare.

peace to youraying:

 

SO TRUE!:thumbs:

 

Because those who truly suffer from the slow and inadequate services are greatly out numbered by the relatively healthy who like to think that they are getting something for nothing.

 

The idea of national health care does scare me I admit it. Just look at everything the government get it's hand in and you see will inefficiency, waste, and many times if not outright incompetence at least a sub par performance.

That said something has to be done. It is horrible that people can work their entire lives and if they get seriously ill it can lead to the loss of everything they have. The price of health care is rising so dramatically that it is hard for many people to afford proper coverage. I always thought it was funny that when gas was going up everyone was so outraged, when in comparison the rise and cost in healthcare dwarfs that.Yet most of the same people outraged at paying thirty more dollars to fill up say little about the thousands of dollars it costs to insure ones family.

Another issue is in some regards we already have a national health care, for people who qualify for Medicare and Medicaid or aid from their local health departments. The only difference is everyone else is supporting those costs. My point is not that this is so wrong, only that many people are getting healthcare right now from the government, but many more are also left out. We have to ask is that the best system?

I don't pretend to know the answers, but I do think our system needs fixing.

 

Thanks for the third grade reponse.

How about adressing my statement on a substantive basis?

 

And just because you refuse to address it doesn't make it invalid.

 

I oppose the a government run health care system because I have seen that we get with the health care system that the government runs now: the VA Hospitals. The buildings are old and poorly maintained. If the plumbing is not working they don't seem to care. Housekeeping is clearly working "part time". If the hall in the clinic is filthy, what can we expect in the operating rooms? The wait for an appointment is unreasonable. The care is substandard. And it takes 2 weeks for a simple test that a civilian doctor can do at their office in 15 minutes. If they don't have the speciality that you need, they will send you to a facility 150 miles away.
The care is better than most "third world" countries but that's about I can say for it.

 

Here is what we do see:

 

In other words the patient dies while waiting for treatment. He/her has access but has a waiting period that will carry him/her past their survival date.

That's what I call "Culling the herd".

 

Yes, that is quite true. So let's start at the beginning shall we?

Since you started the conversation, please prove your supposition that the only possible response to a poor national health care system in an industrialized country with a representative democratic form of government is a popular uprising.

If there are other possible responses, then any one offered here is as valid as the one that you are speculating.

 

Not only is medical care in the U.S. the best in the world, but it would be the most affordable also, if tort reformed could ever be passed into law.

But that will never happen because:

1. The socialists are against it because it would take away one of their favorite "just" causes.

2. The average voter does not know what "tort reform" means thanks to the socialist big media.

3. The lawyers are against it because it would decrease their personal incomes.

4. The politicians are against because most of them are lawyers.

 

No one seems to ever deal with this point, so I'll post it again, and hope against hope it gets addressed...

Many of these folks couldn't find their rear ends with both hands, a flashlight, a road map, a GPS device, and an electron microscope. Why should we trust them with something of such critical importance?

 

Nationized health care is bad because Ron Paul said it is.

 

Yep, It works because you kill off the weak and infirm leaving a healthier herd. It is called culling, any other name would be "Socialized Health Care".