If somebody can say or write down that Jesus is God does this prove he's real?

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  1. xdisciplex

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    Does this prove that he's a real christian and not a false prophet?
    Is it that simple? I don't think so.
    But then what does this verse in the bible means which talks about this?
    I think that atheists can also say that Jesus is Lord without any problem, it's just a sentence.
     
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    No, he must believe also...
     
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    xdisciplex,

    bmerr here. 1 Cor 12:3, right? In context, Paul is speaking of people speaking, or claiming to speak, by Divine inspiration. The miraculous gifts of prophecy, knowledge, and such. There were those out to deceive the disciples, and who would bring false doctrine into the church, claiming to be speaking by the Spirit.

    But even evil spirits, when confronted by Jesus, would often acknowledge Him as the Son of God, etc.

    In Christ,

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    No, it doesn't prove he is real.
     
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    does this prove that somebody who claims to be a prophet has to be real if he can say Jesus is God? because this would mean that a whole bunch of people are prophets...... the christians on tv also say Jesus is Lord...
     
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    What is your definition of a prophet?
     
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    Um....somebody who speaks what God tells him to speak. :)

    1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

    Does this mean that if Benny Hinn says Jesus is Lord that he cannot be a false prophet? Is it that easy? :eek:

    The problem is that there is a guy who claims that Jesus speaks to him and that he has new revelations for the christians and he also says Jesus is Lord! :eek:

    What does this mean?
     
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    RE:1cor12:3

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    The context is clear, no one who is under the influence of the Holy Spirit (remember the NT had not been written yet) and supposedly speaking to the edification of the local church body through the Spirit could call Jesus cursed or call Jesus Lord.

    This goes in conjunction with 1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    If they called Jesus Lord and later cursed Jesus the members would know the speakers was either a charlatan or demon possesed.
     
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    Being saved and not being a false prophet are two different things.
     
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    A false prophet can say Jesus is God. Saying in the Col. passage is not just speaking something but also believing and confessing it.

    Benny Hinn is a false prophet. He has made false prophecies (predictions about the future) that did not come true. He has also made heretical statements, especially about the Holy Spirit. And none of his claimed healings have been medically verified. Don't listen to him.

    Read these:

    http://www.intotruth.org/wof/Hinn.html

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/false.html

    http://www.discernment.org/faithhealers/benny.htm
     
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    Context is very important. Let's look at the passage in question:

    1 Corinthians 12:1-3 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
    2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
    3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

    First note that the general context of chapters 12-14 is concerning spiritual gifts which Paul introduces in 12:1 here. He says I would not have you ignorant of them, and then spends three chapters discussing them. One of the spiritual gifts that he spends the most time on is the gift of tongues, a gift that was badly mis-used.
    Paul reminds them of their pagan past in verse two. Some of the Corinthians were slippping back into their pagan past which involved demonism. Some of their tongue-speaking, in the past was done through the power of demons. Now this was being carreid on through into Christianity. If no one could understand what was being said how could they understand the source: demons or the Holy Spirit?
    Similarly, if one spoke a foreign langauge through a demon, and the speaker of it didn't know which language he was speaking and therefore without understanding, he could easily be cursing God without knowing it. One with the gift of interpretation, or just educated to know the foreign language would automatically know that he was cursing God in a foreign language. All speaking in tongues was speaking in foreign languages unless it was strictly from pagan origin. Only the pagans spoke in gibberish (as you hear today). But this was was understood by others. They heard in other languages that Jesus Christ was being cursed. It was through a demonic spirit that such an event was happening.

    Thus when speaking in tongues and being under the control of the Holy Spirit a man would confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. No demon would ever confess that Christ is Lord. Only the Holy Spirit would do that. That is the way that you could tell whether or not a person was speaking in tongues (languages) by a demonic source or by the Holy Spirit. If he spoke in another language, and he began to curse God, then he was speaking through the power of demons. This is the meaning of that passage.
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