Featured If you receive the mark of the beast, you will lose eternal life

I often wonder why folks take the gospel which Christ made so emphatically clear that ye are saved by grace through faith and this NOT of YOURSELVES, and turn right around and reject this in favor of a faith plus works gospel. And what is really amazing is they invoke Galatians 5:4 as a proof text against eternal life being eternal, the very text which condemns them for preaching against salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ. They have fallen from grace for teaching works save, yet they are blinded to the obvious rebuke at them in Galatians 5.

 

Everything you read and see seems to be "as good a reason as any" not to believe in the sound biblical teaching of eternal security. When I saw the title of the thread, I didn't even have to look to see who posted it. What nonsense!

 

This is contrary to what the Bible teaches about assurance. If it is not eternal life at the moment of salvation, what exactly is it...what kind of salvation is it?

Complete misapplication of the passage. Nothing in Ephesians 1 teaches it is dependant on us, just read that passage today. Count the "in Him's".

Every one of those passages has been eisegeted and proof texted from their context. Some deal with Jews during the Great Tribulation, some to the lost, and some to believers dealing with sanctification. You are all over the place here. How come nobody has dealt with the passage from Ephesians 1 showing we are sealed, and He is the one holding it?

 

An antichrist doctrine. What does the Bible say?

1John5:11 - "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1John5:12 - "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

1John5:20 - "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

If you say you do not have eternal life now, this day, then you are saying you do not have Jesus Christ in you - Born-Again.


This is just to simple to miss........if one has understanding as John says.

 

Could be what Jesus called "blind" ??

 

Why do you ignore the passage from Ephesians 1 I supplied? Thanks for the offer, but I have more translations and Bibles than I'll ever need.

I have no idea what a BAC is.

 

A BAC is his way of saying born again Christian which he believes children of God end up in hell.

 

Thanks. Just the phrase BAC proves in itself the security of the believer. You cannot 'unbirth' yourself.

 

That's absolutely correct! This is why his doctrine is antichrist, it has children of God going to hell.

 

You have apparently shot your own argument in the foot on that one.

The very fact that anyone NEEDS to be "born AGAIN" without first having to "UNBirth themselves" from the first birth - is proof that the "unbirth" argument was bogus to start with.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Not at all. Jesus spoke of two different births, physical and spiritual. So your objection is bogus to start with. There is one physical birth which as Nicodemus pointed out could not be undone, and there is one spiritual birth which Jesus pointed out could not be undone.

 

Actually the point remains because Adam and Eve did not need to be "born again" until after the fall.

To fall they did not need to be "unborn".

The "unborn" gimmick does not work from the very start - and no Bible text mentions it as some sort of idea to be entertained.

in Christ,

Bob

 

A total non sequitor as the new birth is a concept taught in the NT.

 

No, the new birth is in comparison to the physical. Its hyperbole.

 

Not sure what you were going for there, but a hyperbole is "an exaggeration in order to make a point." Such as "I've told you a million times..."

 

...as is literally being born a second time.

 

I disagree. I think a better word would be simile.

 

If that is the case Jesus would have told Nicodemus it was like being born again.