Ignorance

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  1. TaterTot

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    My husband was discussing "NArnia" with some deacons at church, and they had no clue who C.S. Lewis was. Never heard of him or his books. These are mature Christians. Many of our people dont know standard hymns. One Easter, I was scolded for bringing in a new hymn. It was "Christ the Lord is Risen Today". Goodness.

    Do you have similar issues?
     
  2. RTG

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    "NArnia" Is that one of them thayer books of the aracknaphobe that the catholic's want to add to the canon?Maybe these men are to busy reading there Bible to read any thing else.What's a standard hymn?
     
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    I know what you mean, Tater.

    If it ain't part of their own little world, then it doesn't exist.

    Next time someone scolds you for bringing in a new hymn, have them look at the copyright date on it.

    In Christ,
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    "Topic: Ignorance"

    Ah, so, knowing about Lewis and a new hymn makes one the intellectual high brow of the church. :eek:

    Probably works for some :rolleyes:
     
  5. TaterTot

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    Dont put words in others mouths [​IMG]

    You know I didnt just mean those two things. I just wonder if other people experience this kind of thing.
     
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    Tell me you're kidding. You aren't serious, are you? The CS Lewis topic aside, it sounds to me like there's an abundance of ignorance there.
     
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    I AM serious. And the list goes on.
     
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    Same story here...they've been singing the exact same hymns since before I was born. It's not only the "new" songs we're trying, but also the old ones they've never tried. I would say we have only used about 25% of the Baptist Hymnal that we hold in such high regard!

    There was a time that it was frustrating, but not so much now. I've told our music leader that we should only try one unknown song in any service...and concentrate on that one a few times in different services, and so add to our "repertoire."

    So what was once frustrating is now (for me) a good - although sometimes humerous - experience. As long as your musicians and music leader do well, the church will generally follow.
     
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    We try a "new" hymn pretty often. And often, I will let the choir do it as a call to worship, then the congregation the following week. However, our pianist can only play shaped notes. She is about to retire, so we are praying.
     
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    lol...have you guys been at my church without telling me????

    I brought up Narnia to our youth workers (volunteer adults, one with a master's degree) and neither knew what it was.

    As for hymns and songs, we do blended worship...and with the newer songs we do a regular rotation so that they can be learned. Go figure that someone will always complain about not knowing that "new song" and that they never heard it before.

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    Our pastor educated our congregation by bringing in his selection of C. S. Lewis Books and discussing the author and the books. He encouraged us to read the books. His college major was English and then went on to the Seminary.

    Now I have been playing hymns for over 50 years and our music director still finds some "old" hymns that I have not heard of. We sing most of the hymns in the Baptist Hymnal. He doesn't care if we know the hymn or not. Sometimes he realizes that the congregation needs to learn the hymn so we play and he sings for them. Our music director also has a degree from Southwestern Seminary.

    Now I'm one of those who has trouble with the praise and worship songs and that is another story...The younger musicians can play those.

    ;)
     
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    Tater, I'm guessing your church is in a town where not too many new people from other areas of the country come.

    My small church is in a town where people have come from all over the country because of the mining, construction, and power generation facility jobs here.

    We have some people from Missouri who went to the same church with the same people and family members most of their life.

    They will admit that when they came here, they had a bit of difficulty because they believed some things about the bible that had never been questioned where they came from and that were were simply not found in the bible.

    Being around people with diverse backgrounds who have not been taught as they were forced them to look around, as it does all of us.

    When we are surrounded by people exactly like us we will remain exactly as we are, which God does not intend.

    Unfortunately, the woman still has the belief that everyone who does not feel as she does isn't quite there yet, even though she has had to change a few things herself.

    It's interesting to watch.

    Just be the you that God has formed, Tater.

    Neither conform to what others think you should be or try to conform them.

    It is God who does the conforming.

    MR
     
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    Ignorance is rampant in today's church.

    Ask some folks if they've heard of the following people and what was their contribution to Christianity?

    Jim Elliot
    Charles Spurgeon
    William Penn
    P. P. Bliss
    D. L. Moody
    Fanny Crosby

    Those are just a few. I would imagine most folks in the church would be able to tell you anythign about thses people.
     
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    Wonder about the "pastors" who can't read the rules of the forum??? [​IMG]

    As to the subject, it is incumbent on the pastor to "feed the sheep". If he expects them to know of certain authors, certain preachers, certain events in history, certain hymns, then he'd better fulfill his position.

    I do so by "illustration". Preaching tomorrow on Rom 4:9-12 and talking about "rituals" that people believe conveyed righteousness (circumcision in that day was the issue; sacramentalism is the issue today). Will use CS Lewis/Narnia as an example of such false belief (he was Anglican Catholic and believed baptism saved and communion/confession kept him saved). So it will, in effect, educate the people about him and the hoopla of the liberals AND evangelicals about him.
     
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    Dr Bob, i agree...it probably does come down to the pastor to educate the church members about men as were mentioned previously; but at the same time it doesn't excuse those in the pew who can probably go into most church libraries and find something somewhere by or about these great men and women of faith.

    Unfortunatly what you find are church folks who are not willing to digest anything other than Christian fiction that makes "Left Behind" seem like a seminary level theology course.
     
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    One of my friends was shocked when I said I was thinking of seeing Narnia. She thought it was about Witchcraft, which I am against big time.
    Faithgirl
     
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    it may not be about witchcraft, but it is about mythological creatures and not good to fill the mind with. IMO
     
  18. TaterTot

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    Then you dont see the allegory in it. Its a beautiful story.
     
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    Why compare the written Word of God with man's books of mythological creatures?
     
  20. TaterTot

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    Why not? Dont you think God can reveal Himslef through that?
     

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