I've been around Baptist Board for some time now and have seen many threads on illegal immigration. Most of us here seem to agree that something needs to be done to curb the flow of illegal immigrants over our borders. Most solutions center around better security which I tend to agree with for the most part. But as these discussions "evolve" they seem to leave out or over look some very important factors that come into play but are very seldom spoken of. Such as our "war on drugs". So I propose that in this thread we ponder what effect if any the so called war on drugs has had on illegal immigration and what would happen if we ended it? I myself believe the "war on drugs" is a miserable failure and has made matters much worse instead of better. Since we declared war on drugs what have we got? More drugs. Stronger more dangerous drugs. A black market in drugs. Drug cartels who make war on each other and with their ever growing wealth and power are able to corupt or frighten the very people charged with upholding the law and protecting us from them. Even up to and including the police, military and governments on both sides of the border. We've gotten violent gangs who's only sources of revenue seems to be from the production and distribution of drugs and all the gang violence as opposing forces fight for control of "turf". And the gangster's favorites, extortion and terrorism. These problems are getting worse not better. But we should have known all along this would happen. Why? We tried it before! We have in our own history an example of what can be expected during a prohibition. Namely the prohibition of alcohol during the 1920's and 30's. What happened when the USA decided to prohibit alcohol? A black market came into existance which in turn spawned criminal gangs (cartels) with all the violence and other crimes that goes along with them. Wholesale coruption of the police, the government and even the military then followed. We all know what happened. The gangs got bigger and more powerful, the government was given more and more power to control the situation, new laws written, civil liberties curtailed. Violence spilled over into the streets, innocent bystanders were gunned down along with members of rival gangs on and on it went until we woke up and realized prohibition was a terrible failure and it was finally repealed. Alcohol has been with us for centuries and we all know the harm it can cause. It's ruined lives and marriages turned family and friends against each other and has taken the lives of not only those who consume it but those of innocent people who through no fault of their own found themselves in the path of someone under the influence. These are things that prohibition was supposed to end. What happened? What went wrong? Didn't we enact enough laws? Didn't we give government enough power and funding? Should we have taken away the rights of some to protect others? Would it have helped if we had the military policing everyone? Or, is it that we just have to much freedom? What could we have done differently to make the war on alcohol work? The answer I suppose could have been a military/police dictatorship. Now that might have worked but I doubt very much anything short of that would have. Is this where we're heading now with our ever expanding "war on drugs"? Looks like it. I posted this in another thread. So, what has the "war on drugs" to do with illegal immigration? Mexico for all intents and purposes is today a violent war zone because of drugs and in a war zone you have refugees fleeing the violence. Where else are they going to go but the USA? Are all the illegals crossing the border refugees? Probably not. But how many are? I don't know. Illegal immigration and the war on drugs are seldom if ever linked together by the mass dream media or anyone for that matter. Some come here to escape the violence. Some to escape poverty and the despotic rule of Mexican "officials", some come here just to rob, rape and pillage and some even come here because they can make a better life for themselves and their children. I don't know the numbers and I'm not reading any of this from a script. All I know is prohibition didn't work in our past and the prospects of it working now are slim to none. So, I ask you the reader why continue it when all it has done is create more problems then it promised to solve? I say let's say enough is enough and end the failed war on drugs before it does turn us into a big brother 1984 style police/military dictatorship. Let's not give the Mexican drug cartels any more power to displace their own people and cause anymore violence on this side of the border. Let's take away the one thing that hepled to give rise to and empower them the most. Let's curb illegal immigration, cut down on gang related violence, restore civil liberties, protect our second amendment, shrink the size and scope of government and reduce racism with just one simple remedy. Let's end the failed "war on drugs" before it's too late. What do you say?