In the beginning God created... not big bangism, not evolutionism; compromise is sin.

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    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - Genesis 1:1

    Many think that they study in science, looking into various fields of research; questioning, testing, demonstrating, and repeating.They then publish it abroad to the whole world and write many articles. Yet is any of this really studying in the greatest of sciences? The truest Science is found in the Scripture, explaining all other science.

    They boldly declare and frantically scream, "The Bible is not a science book!", and they would be right in a certain sense, for it is not "a" science book, it is "THE SCIENCE BOOK!", in which is the very greatest Science, the Science of the Cross of Calvary, the Science of Salvation/Redemption are contained therein.

    The Questions? 'Satan', doubting all the evidence, asked 'Is God Love?' 'Is God faithful?' 'Is God true?'

    And thus Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh, forever proved the answer upon the Cross of Calvary, that the answer is "Yes."

    The entire life of Jesus Christ was one of Love and Faith, tested and "in all points tempted as we, yet without sin." and when mocked, refused to come down from the cross until He was finished with what He came and was sent to do.

    The whole life and especially the last days of Christ Jesus of such infinite Love and Faith, demonstrated, "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." and even death could not contain Him, for He is arisen, He is not here, and shows that Love is the greatest and strongest 'force'. It is stronger than gravity, stronger than the 'strong force', stronger that any supposed 'black hole', stronger than 'riches', stronger than any power that has not Love, yea stronger than death itself.

    And this is to be repeated in you and I, showing that the God who is Love, and the Love of God is truly real, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." and "...let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."

    “We love him, because he first loved us.” 1 John 4:19

    ...there is a true science to consider, and many simply do not take the time to study in that so rich field, for it is written, it is published abroad, and it is is made known to the whole world.

    "Is God Love?"

    You see, satan has been now, for a long time planting the doubt of this into all he can manage to convince by whatever means necessary. So how did God answer?

    The Cross of Calvary, forever answers the question and shuts the mouths of roaring lions, puts an end to the doubt and quells the fear.

    Love and Faith was there defined, it was there tested in the man Christ Jesus, God the Son, who was raised up for you and I, it was fully demonstrated by His humility, setting aside Heaven, and coming down to be incarnated as a man, living the sinless and perfect life of obedience, even unto that death, the death of the cross, and the Love of God forever proven beyond all question before all creation and every being in Heaven and on earth, and that very same love can be repeated in you and I, for He has promised to re-create in us the very image of God, if we would accept so precious a gift as His salvation and repent of our transgressions by His Love, Grace and Faithfulness. Thus it was written, it was published and made known to the whole universe.

    At the Cross.

    God is Love...

    ...and this... this is the greatest science....

    The greatest science, is the science of salvation and of the Love of God.

    "...This is the treasure that is found in the Scriptures. The Bible is God’s great lesson book, His great educator. The foundation of all true science is contained in the Bible. Every branch of knowledge may be found by searching the word of God. And above all else it contains the science of all sciences, the science of salvation. The Bible is the mine of the unsearchable riches of Christ. ..." [Christ's Object Lessons; E.G.White; pg 107] - http://text.egwwritings.org/publica...ng=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=107

    "...The cross of Christ,—how many believe it to be what it is? How many bring it into their studies, and know its true significance? There could not be a Christian in our world without the cross of Christ....

    ... This is the highest science that we can learn,—the science of salvation. The cross of Calvary, rightly regarded, is true philosophy, pure and undefiled religion. It is eternal life to all who believe. ..." [Sons and Daughters of God; E.G.White; pg 231] - http://text.egwwritings.org/publica...ng=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=231

    "... Thousands even regard with disdain the matchless grace shown in the plan of redemption. All who are partakers of this great salvation are not clear in this matter. They do not cultivate grateful hearts. But the theme of redemption is one that the angels desire to look into; it will be the science and the song of the ransomed throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. Is it not worthy of careful thought and study now? Should we not praise God with heart and soul and voice “for His wonderful works to the children of men”? ..." [Testimonies for the Church Volume 5; E.G.White; pg 318] - http://text.egwwritings.org/publica...ng=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=318

    And yet...

    "... Human science is too limited to comprehend the atonement. The plan of redemption is so far-reaching that philosophy cannot explain it. ..." [The Desire of Ages; E.G.White; pg 494] - http://text.egwwritings.org/publica...ng=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=494

    "... By coming to dwell with us, Jesus was to reveal God both to men and to angels. He was the Word of God,—God’s thought made audible. In His prayer for His disciples He says, “I have declared unto them Thy name,”—“merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,”—“that the love wherewith Thou hast loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” But not alone for His earthborn children was this revelation given. Our little world is the lesson book of the universe. God’s wonderful purpose of grace, the mystery of redeeming love, is the theme into which “angels desire to look,” and it will be their study throughout endless ages. Both the redeemed and the unfallen beings will find in the cross of Christ their science and their song. It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which “seeketh not her own” has its source in the heart of God; and that in the meek and lowly One is manifested the character of Him who dwelleth in the light which no man can approach unto. ..." [The Desire of Ages; E.G.White; pgs 19-20] - http://text.egwwritings.org/publica...ang=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=19

    For those interested in the very science of God, that was defined, tested, demonstrated, proven and finally able to be repeated daily in each of your lives... I will recommend a book. [It is only a recommendation, you do not have to if you choose not to...]

    [The Desire Of Ages]- http://www.eternaltruthministries.org/DA.pdf

    Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. 1 Peter 1:2

    The [definite article] man, Adam, was Created on the 6th Day; Genesis 1:24-31 & 2:7-25, etc [Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; 1 Corinthians 15:45, etc]; and He lived 930 years; Genesis 5:3-5, and the year in Scripture is made up of 360 literal days; Genesis 5, etc [more evidence if needed from Scripture can be supplied if required].

    Enoch being the 7th from Adam, Luke 3:37, Jude 1:14. And those ages and generations given in Genesis 5, etc.

    The 6th Day being "very good"; Genesis 1:31, and the 7th Day, being "finished" [perfected/brought to completed]; Genesis 2:1, even God blessing and Sanctifying it, making it Holy forever; Genesis 2:3.

    Since these things being so, as it is written, with death being an enemy and not friend; 1 Corinthians 15:26, and did not come into existence until the sin of Adam, Job 31:33, Romans 5:12,14; 1 Timothy 2:13,14, etc; and the earth not yet being "cursed"; Genesis 3:17 until afterwards, and Adam's life living under that cursed earth "all the days of his life"; Genesis 3:17;

    How then can the days of Genesis 1-2, [Day 1, the 2nd-6th and the 7th Day, the Sabbath of the LORD thy God] as they are written, be long-ages [long periods of time] since Adam was created in/on the 6th Day and lived through the 7th Day and beyond, since the Sabbath, the 7th Day, was made for the [definite article, see Greek] man, being Adam at Creation; Mark 2:28; Exodus 20:8-11, etc?
     
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    Indeed - blind faith evolutionism simply does not work in Christianity -- it is a competing "religion".
     
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    God's word, especially about how He said He created in the beginning [Genesis 1-2, etc], has been under assault from without and from those within, even as it is written:

    O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: - 1 Timothy 6:20

    For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. - Acts 20:29

    Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. - Acts 20:30​

    A working from beneath, that has been from its inception in the militaristic Jesuit ['Society of 'Jesus'', the 'sons of Loyola', etc] order, has sought to truly instill, "Yea, hath God said..." in the matter of Genesis:


    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? - 2 Corinthians 6:14

    Can two walk together, except they be agreed? - Amos 3:3

    Wherefore it is written:

    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, - 2 Corinthians 6:17

    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. - Revelation 18:4

    These were not the only ones, but there arose many doubters in the word of God, and turning from wisdom and understanding, they became darkened:

    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. - Romans 1:21

    James Hutton [Lawyer] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hutton

    Charles Lyell [Lawyer, Uniformitarianism] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lyell

    - Charles Lyell - Lawyer, "The present is the key to the past." [uniformitarianism, ie warned of in 2 Peter 3:4, in fact so much, that an old wiki definition of uniformitarianism sounded like it was quoted from this very scripture!], Charles Lyell lied to destroy the bible, which he hated.

    Here is what Charles Lyell wrote:

    "... I conceived the idea five or six years ago, that if ever the Mosaic geology could be set down without giving offense, it would be in an historical sketch..." [Life, Letters And Journals Of Sir Charles Lyell, Bart. Page 217] - https://books.google.com/books?id=X... the idea, Life, letters and journals&f=false

    Science? No, but a hatred for Scripture. A dangerous Bias, which now continues in the compromise of Christians, which the origins or dating rock layers had anything to do with science rather than purely made up imagination from a antibiblical philosophy.

    He, among others, set out to deliberately destroy 'Moses' and the 'geology' set forth by God.

    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21​​

    Not only was Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître [Big Bang founder/theorist; Roman Catholic Jesuit] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître

    ...but so Lamarck [Lamarckism, still utilized in evolutionary theory] also Jesuit trained:

    "... Yielding to the wishes of his father, Lamarck enrolled in a Jesuit college in Amiens in the late 1750s.[3] ..." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Lamarck

    There is more, much more, for instance, the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard deChardin, Jesuit, and promoter of Evolutionism...

    Roman Catholicism involved with pilt-down man...

    "... Woodward's reconstruction included apelike canine teeth, which was itself controversial. In August 1913, Woodward, Dawson and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin ], a Jesuit priest and friend of Dawson who had trained as a paleontologist and geologist, began a systematic search of the spoil heaps specifically to find the missing canines. Teilhard soon found a canine that, according to Woodward, fitted the jaw perfectly. ..." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man

    It is Roman Catholicism, which promotes the Compromise, for they deny the global flood and reduce it to ethno-centric [localized] flood.

    The Creation account of Genesis, the Global Flood of Genesis and God's very Law [the Ten Commandments], all, completely destroys the lies of evolutionsim, and all compromise therewith [like theistic evolutionism, day-agers, gap theorists, etc], placing an eternal time-event barrier at approx 4,400 to 4,500 years ago.
     
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    There are two spirits [1 John 4:6] in the world, the True [Romans 8:11] and the false [Ephesians 2:2].

    A tool for all to use to combat the false and the compromise; - http://www.pearltrees.com/awhn/biblical-creation-history/id1593499

    He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. - Proverbs 18:13

    Biblical Historical Timeline [SDA]:


    Longevity [Ages of the Patriarchs] Chart [non-SDA]:

    http://www.3bible.com/illustrations/CSE Longevity Chart Adam to Joseph.pdf​

    Creation:

    Total Onslaught 251 - The World According to Darwin; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Testimony of Walter J Veith - From Evolutionist to Creationist; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 01 - The Earth in Time and Space; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 02 - A Universal Flood; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 03 - Bones In Stones; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 04 - Where Mammals Reigned; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 05 - The Genes of Genesis; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 06 - Creation to Restoration; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 07 - A Day To Be Remembered; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:


    Genesis Conflict 08 - A Spade Unearths The Truth; Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA]:



    For More from Professor/Pastor Walter J Veith [SDA], please visit His Ministry Website [I recommend the Total Onslaught, Final Onslaught to begin with]:


    You may also find those materials here:


    Lecture at College, Polonium Halos, Falsifiable Evidence For Young Earth [6k] Creation, the Created Rocks, by Dr. Robert V Gentry [Nuclear Physicist] [SDA]:


    The Fingerprints of Creation; Dr. Robert V Gentry [Nuclear Physicist] [SDA]:


    The Young Age Of The Earth; Dr. Robert V Gentry [Nuclear Physicist] [SDA]:


    For more from Dr. Robert V Gentry [ Nuclear Physicist] [SDA], please visit:


    Dealing with the collapse of the Big Bang theory [which theory came from the Jesuit [Roman Catholic] Georges LeMaitre], see here:


    You may also find those same resources together, here:


    The Days of Genesis, Literal, 24hr, Consecutive, Days 1 Week, the Bible, Language, etc, by Gerhard F Hasel [Professor Andrews University] [SDA]:


    There are many more such sources, but moving onto non-SDA, I will also leave with you the evidence that others also have found and do see. I may not agree with every theological thing they say necessariy, but never-the-less, there is a treasure trove of evidence to be had by all that God has left.

    A Must See Secret History of Dinosaurs/Dragons:


    Why I Believe In Unicorns:



    For More see:


    God in Ancient China, The Language of the Chinese, Proves the earth is 6k years old:


    The Discovery of Genesis in Ancient China, the Language of China, Book:


    How The Chinese Characters [Language] confirm the Young Age of the Earth and Genesis and Flood Accounts:


    The Scriptural Age of the Earth; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    How Old Is The Earth; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    The Laws of Science; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    What Is Creation Science; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    The Fossil Record; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    The Fossil Men; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    Evidence That Dinosaurs lived with Man, and were Buried with Man in the Flood; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    Archeology And The Bible; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    The Dead Sea Scrolls And The Undeniable Proof Of The Accuracy And Historicity Of The Bible; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    The History of the Flood and Facts About Noahs Ark; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:


    Malachite Man; by Dr. Don Patton [Geologist, Archeologist, etc] [Baptist]:

     
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    For more see the Creation and History Section at the Pearltrees Link given above.

    Creation Astronomy, The Heavens Declare The Glory of God; by Spike Psarris [ex-Nasa Engineer, ex-evolutionist] [Baptist]:


    Our Solar System, Evidence of Creation; by Spike Psarris [ex-Nasa Engineer, ex-evolutionist] [Baptist]:

    Official DVD Video:


    Presentation at a church:


    Our Created Universe; by Spike Psarris [ex-Nasa Engineer, ex-evolutionist] [Baptist]:


    Young Earth, Young Universe; by Spike Psarris [ex-Nasa Engineer, ex-evolutionist] [Baptist]:


    The Big Bang Never Happened; by Spike Psarris [ex-Nasa Engineer, ex-evolutionist] [Baptist]:


    Defeating Atheism With Science; by Spike Psarris [ex-Nasa Engineer, ex-evolutionist] [Baptist]:


    Complete Interview With Spike Psarris and Ian Juby [Wazooloo; Producer of Genesis Week] [Baptists]:


    For More from Spike, sign up for His News Letter, here:


    For more, see the Pearltrees Link above.

    The Great Dinosaur Deception; by Dr. Thomas J Kindell [Assemblies of God], his bio may be found here - http://kindell.nwcreation.net/biography.htm


    Worldwide Evidence for a Global Flood; by Dr. Thomas J Kindell [Assemblies of God]:


    The Laws of Thermodynamics; by Dr. Thomas J Kindell [Assemblies of God]:


    Evidence For a Young Earth; by Dr. Thomas J Kindell [Assemblies of God]:


    For More, please see the Pearltrees Link above.

    The HydropPlate Theory in the Global Flood, by Dr. Walt Brown [Engineer]:


    These are meant to be Serious and Fun at the same time, explanations of Science and the Scientific Method, but in an Ironic/Humorous way:

    Creation-Evolution Rant 100; The Dating Methods; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Creation-Evolution Rant 101; Carbon 14 Dating; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Creation-Evolution Rant 135; Peer Review And Creationists [Young Earth]; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Creation-Evolution Rant 78; The Boat That Don't Float]; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    For more Creation Evolution Rants by Ian Juby, please see:


    Or here:



    These are more serious, as it is part of the Genesis Week Program:

    Genesis Week, Season 3, Episode 23; 10 Questions For Creationists [Young Earth]; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week, Season 2, Episode 11; The Age of the Earth; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week, Season 2, Episode 21; A Flood of Evidence; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week, Season 2, Episode 30; Geological Column Busted; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week, Season 2, Episode 37; Finale; Fossil Record Busted!; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week, Season 1, Episode 10; Layers of Time; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week, Season 2, Episode 25; Toad You So!; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week; Special Edition Episode; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:


    Genesis Week; Interview With Mark Armitage; Fresh Dinosaur Tissue, Blood, Cells Found and Documented!; by Ian Juby [Engineer; Producer of Genesis Week; Mensa Member; ie Hi IQ] [Baptist]:



    For More on Genesis Week, see here:


    Or Here:


    For More on Complete Creation Series, please see:


    Or Here:


    The Powerful Documentary is Coming out Soon, The Mystery of Noahs Flood, by Ian Juby:


    Sneak Peek at the Documentary:


    etc.

    No Evolution, No Long Ages, Stratification of the Geology:


    God of Wonders 2009:


    High-Tech Society; Pastor Billy Crone of Get A Life Ministries [he is a little loud and a bit sarcastic] [non-SDA]:

    Part 1


    Part 2


    And so, while the evidence in the second Book of God, being Nature, is clear, let us consult the Primary Source, the Bible.
     
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    The Global Flood [scripturally]:

    Let us go to the Biblical Flood first, and then we can go to Creation [Genesis]:

    As for the size of the Flood it was completely Global [as in not local, not 'ethnocentric', but rather was covering the whole surface of the entire earth below the heavens even as high as 15 cubits above the "then" highest mountains].

    The Bible says that the whole earth (world, not land) was completely covered and water stood 15 cubits above the tallest mountains:

    Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Genesis 7:20)​

    [1] First we see that the waters "prevail[ed]". "...the waters prevailed..." [Genesis 7:18,19,20,24] From the Hebrew [Tr.]: "gabar" meaning to "have strength over", "over-powering", etc. The waters "prevail[ed]" so much so, that "fifteen cubits upward" above the very "mountains were covered" and overcame, so that "all the high hills", being "under the whole heaven, were covered".

    And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered. (Genesis 7:19)​

    [2] Secondly we read that all men ["all flesh" and "every man", vs 21], from "under the whole heaven" and all land animals and birds ["fowls also of the air" vs 3 and "fowl(s)" vs 8,14,21 and "fowl of heaven" vs 23], wherein is the breath of life, outside of the Ark were destroyed:

    And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. (Genesis 6:13)

    And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die. (Genesis 6:17)

    And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: (Genesis 7:21)

    And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. (Genesis 9:11)

    And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Genesis 9:15)​

    Consider carefully that the text is from the viewpoint of God ["before Me" Genesis 6:13, 7:1], and that which is "under the whole heaven", and not some localized, ethnocentric event. It would be meaningless to have those "fowls" which could fly enter into the Ark, the Clean Pairs [of Sevens] an the Unclean Pairs [by Twos], should the Flood not be indeed entriely global.

    It is easily demonstrated that Birds can fly away from and can escape a local flood, especially since the Flood did not cover all the mountains in a single day. In fact, animals know of disaster many hours and sometimes even days in advance of men, and would have fled before it even happened, but instead we see them miraculously brought to the Ark by God, in Pairs!

    Mankind also who were left outside of the Ark, too could just as easily flee to another location through various means should the flood be merely local.

    The Antediluvians were no fools [though such, not to enter the Ark] to stand around while waters arose, for these men were of giant intellect, knowing city building [Genesis 4:17], metalurgy [Genesis 4:22], fine craft like musical instruments, arts [Genesis 4:21], tent making [Genesis 4:20], etc. [and we can even go to places in the world where such ancient remains are found of said civilization, massive stones, superb craftsmanship, surgery, things of exquisite and even unrepeatable design, more on this later]

    [3] Thirdly, the Covenant that GOD makes with Noah and "all flesh" is universal [entirely global] in scope. Look again at the Promise and Covenant made by GOD:

    And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. (Genesis 9:11)

    And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Genesis 9:15)​

    The Promise and Covenant of God then made would be meaningless, as would be the sign ["[rain]bow" Genesis 9:13] given to "all flesh". If the Flood only destroyed a local [ethnocentric] locale then the Promise is worthless Biblically, for endless floods and disasters have since come upon the earth and wiped out many peoples, and beasts. Just look at the recent destruction in Japan, and further back, New Orleans, etc.

    I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. (Genesis 9:13)​

    However, God's promise stand's firm, in that never again would a Flood of water cover the whole earth, even though in the very end times to come, "islands" will flee away at the coming destruction.

    [4] Fourthly, God made all men, and not just those in “Noah's valley” [ethnocentric locale]:

    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:26)​

    And so, God was angry with all mortals ["all flesh"] upon the Earth:

    The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. (Genesis 6:11)

    And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. (Genesis 6:12)​

    [5] Fifthly, God had "all" the fountains of the great abyss break up, not just some localized [ethnocentric] fountains, nor few fountains, but "all":

    In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Genesis 7:11)​

    The Bible declares that the great abyss is below the entire surface of the earth, and not merely localized to “Noah's valley” [ethnocentric locale]:

    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2)


    [6] Sixthly, the Flood lasted much longer than 40 days and 40 nights [in which it rained], for it lasted roughly a little over a year [370], counting the entirety of time:

    In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Genesis 7:11)

    And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. (Genesis 7:12)

    And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first [month], the first [day] of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry. (Genesis 8:13)

    And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried. (Genesis 8:14)​

    The Rain, from the floodgates of the sky, was not the only part of the Deluge, but also the vast amounts and endless volumes of water which burst forth from beneath the earth in the breaking up of the great abyss:

    The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; (Genesis 8:2)​
     
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    The remainder of scripture also gives:

    Job says:

    Which were cut down out of time, whose foundation was overflown with a flood: (Job 22:16)

    [speaking of all of the wicked men and the way in which they had trodden, verse 15]​

    Isaiah declares a global flood:

    For this [is as] the waters of Noah unto me: for [as] I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. (Isaiah 54:9)​

    Peter makes it quite clear that God destroyed them all and took them all away (buried in water, a figure of complete immersion of baptism, then after to be covered in fire), only 8 souls of mankind being saved [Noah "only" and his family and their wives Genesis 7:23]:

    Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:20)

    The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 3:21)

    And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (2 Peter 2:5)

    Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (2 Peter 3:3)

    For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (2 Peter 3:5)

    Whereby the world that then was, being, overflowed with water, perished: (2 Peter 3:6)

    But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:7)​

    Several words used by Peter in the Greek for this flood are, "Kosmos", universe, totality of something [like of the earth/planet], and "kataklyzō", 1) to overwhelm with water, to submerge, deluge [like Baptism, complete total immersion/submersion] [it is also where we get the word cataclysm] and Peter directly equates that Global judgment by water to the one to come by fire - total global judgment.

    [7] A seventh serious matter, would be to localize the Flood to an ethnocentric locale would then cripple the Final Judgment of scripture to an ethnocentric locale, as Peter equates them together, one the forerunner of the other [a world baptised in Water, then also Fire, like as we]. Scripture is more than clear on the global fires to come [can be cited if necessary].

    [8] Eighth, in even that Jesus Himself says that they were all destroyed in the flood, and relates the flood to the final judgment by fire [which will cover the whole Earth, Revelation 20, etc]:

    But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:37)

    For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (Matthew 24:38)

    And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:39)

    And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. (Luke 17:26)

    They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. (Luke 17:27)​

    All of the wicked humans were destroyed by the Flood and only 8 humans were spared - yet Satan lived through the flood and continued to entice...

    Other mentions of the great flood:

    Thou coveredst it with the deep as [with] a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. (Psalms 104:6)​

    Others, seeking to make excuses, cite other passages, but do not consider their context, and so dealing with 'roaring lions' and 'here be dragons'...

    Psalms 104. Deals with the totality of the waters from their Creation [Psalms 104:5-6a], to their covering the Earth [Psalms 104:6b-8], to no more again covering the whole earth by God's covenant [Psalms 104:9-13, etc].

    Job 38. Speaking about the omnipotence of God declaring that He controls and upholds all things and sets their bounds, whether they be held or released for His purposes. The time of Job is after the Global Flood and before Abraham. Job fully believed in the Globality of the Flood, see noted passages above or [Job 22:15-16, 26:5,12; etc].

    Proverbs 8. Again as Job, signifying God's Omnipotence and His controlling and upholding all things by His Power, He setting their bounds, whether they be held or released for His Purposes. They should not "pass His commandment", nor can they do otherwise than to respond to His will, as was done in the Global Flood.

    These are not the only reasons, but just a few of the Major ones, and a list of over 100 [scripturally and scientifically] could be cited, as has been done by others. No matter what one currently believes [atheist or Christian, etc], if they are true to the scriptures in what they plainly teach and say [whether or not you actually believe it], they cannot objectively come to any other conclusions based upon its own consistent and internal evidence that the Noachian Flood was indeed Global and only 4,500 years ago [est].

    There is no room for a "compromised" position, no room to be sitting on the fence.

    The Global Flood totally wipes out the evolutionary and long age model. How so? Think about it.

    What does it mean for the evolutionary timescales if all life [basically] had to start from square one only 4,500 years ago.

    It cannot be both ways.

    Compromise is impossible.
     
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    Let us continue to look at this "compromise" and see that many are cherishing man-made ideology over and above what God has stated in His word [this is primarily for those who at this moment believe 'old-earth' 'theistic-evolution', etc; for let us consider together], and so there is only two options, for Christ Jesus said,

    "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth." Matthew 12:30; Luke 11:23.​

    God loves you [yes you], but let us not think we can simply 'marry' the two ideologies [[1] God's revealed will/word in Creation & [2] man's/satan's philosophy of Evolutionsim] together, for it is an adulterous and idolatrous relationship, for the word of God says:

    Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

    And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2 Corinthians 6:15

    And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Corinthians 6:16

    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, 2 Corinthians 6:17

    And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15

    The whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, From God, Christ Jesus to the Apostles and disciples, prophets led by the Holy Spirit, psalms, all taught God created in 6 literal standard consecutive days, and rested the 7th and believed in the total global flood, and the prophecies and awesome events, like Abraham, David, Solomon, the Exodus with Moses and Joshua, Jonah, Babylonian captivity, fall of Ninevah, Tyre, Petra, etc.

    In fact, it is basic to believing God, having faith and trust in Him, and His word. Without this, what do we really believe of what is written? God has given an immeasurable [to us] amount of evidence of these things. Yet the serpent comes along and says, "Yea, hath God said?"

    Without faith, it is impossible to please Him...

    Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. Mark 10:15

    Genesis is the foundation for the whole of scripture, it is the book of seeds, the book of beginnings, the book of generations. Any secondary/tertiary, etc senses of scripture are based in this literal given word.

    We can know, right from the beginning in Genesis, that those 'days' were standard consecutive literal days. We can see from the phrases used, “evening and morning”, definite articles “the”, and cardinal and ordinal numbering, all combined. We can know that if God had meant great [thousands, millions, billions, etc] ages in Genesis, He would have had Moses utilize those words in the appropriate places. They knew of immense numbers.

    Then the next question would be, “Do you believe that He created in the manner that He said He did?”

    Genesis 1-2, do not use the words, "thousands of millions" Genesis 24:60; or any large numbers such as "of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens" Exodus 18:5; or "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." Exodus 20:6; or "he came with ten thousands of saints" Deuteronomy 33:2; "his thousands, and David his ten thousands" 1 Samuel 18:7; or ..."the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands" Revelation 5:11, but simply uses "evening and morning" "the" "first", "second", "third", "fourth", fifth", sixth" and the "seventh" "day", with the words "and" connecting them all, and furthermore, the use of "Seasons", "Months" and "Years" in Genesis 1 reveal that each of the "day(s)" were not those time periods.

    Genesis 1-2, does not say "many seasons", "many months/moons", "many years", "Thousand times ten thousand", as "the sand of the sea" etc.

    The 6 days and the 7th of Rest in Creation cannot be anything other than standard literal days since "all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years" [Genesis 5:5] and then "he died" since Adam was created on the 6th Day [Genesis 1:26-31; 2:7] and having then lived onward past the 6th Day and into and through the 7th Day [for God had said on the 6th Day that it was "very good" [Genesis 1:31] and the 7th Day in which "God blessed the seventh Day and sanctified it" [Genesis 2:3] and therefore neither [the 6th nor the 7th Day] were "in sorrow" [Genesis 3:16], neither yet “cursed” [Genesis 3:17] as had all the further days been after Adam/Eve had transgressed and from then on "all the days of" Adam's "life" [Genesis 3:17] were to be such.

    And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 5:5

    Since the Scripture states that "all the days" of Adam's Life were 930 years [He being created on the 6th Day], how then could the 6th or the 7th Day of Genesis be anything other than simply a standard literal day each? If the 6th Day is to be understood as some timeframe other than a standard literal day, did then Adam die [or “death reign”] within the 6th [or even the 7th] "Day" according to scripture and if so how then was the 6th [or 7th] "day" "very good"?

    Creation:

    So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27

    Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Genesis 2:1

    And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Genesis 2:2

    And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:3

    Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Genesis 5:2

    And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jude 1:14

    Male and Female [along with marriage] right at the beginning, with God their Creator [even directly citing Genesis 2:24]:

    And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female, Matthew 19:4

    And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Matthew 19:5

    Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matthew 19:6

    But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. Mark 10:6

    For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; Mark 10:7

    And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. Mark 10:8

    What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mark 10:9

    For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:31
     
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    God spake things into existence, and built with His own hands, and it did not take thousands/millions/billions of years to make this world and all that is good in it:

    By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psalms 33:6

    For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast. Psalms 33:9

    The sea [is] his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry [land]. Psalms 95:5

    JOD. Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. Psalms 119:73

    I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. Isaiah 45:12

    In fact, the Miracles of Christ Jesus, show, that by the Power of His Word, and His Healing touch, that it was instant, not endless ages to await it:

    And Jesus put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. Matthew 8:3

    So Jesus had compassion [on them], and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him. Matthew 20:34

    And he came and took her by the hand, and lifted her up; and immediately the fever left her, and she ministered unto them. Mark 1:31

    And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed. Mark 1:42

    And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion. Mark 2:12

    And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way. Mark 10:52

    And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue [loosed], and he spake, and praised God. Luke 1:64

    And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them. Luke 4:39

    And he put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will: be thou clean. And immediately the leprosy departed from him. Luke 5:13

    And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. Luke 5:25

    Came behind [him], and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched. Luke 8:44

    And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. Luke 8:47

    And he laid [his] hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God. Luke 13:13

    And immediately he received his sight, and followed him, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw [it], gave praise unto God. Luke 18:43

    And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. John 5:9

    Genesis:

    "... and it was so ..." Genesis 1:7, 9, 11, 15, 24, 30
    .

    How quickly were the Miracles manifested by Peter, Paul and others in the name of Christ Jesus, it was instantly:

    And he took him by the right hand, and lifted [him] up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. Acts 3:7

    And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. Acts 9:18

    And Peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately. Acts 9:34

    And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand. Acts 13:11​

    How quickly was the Miracle of the Wedding of Cana done? Did it take thousands, millions or billions for Christ Jesus to make from water, the purest grape juice of the harvest for their joy? It was instantaneous:

    “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth ...” Acts 17:24;p​

    Paul even gives the scientific facts that, there are "kinds" as Genesis [1 various vss, "after their kind"] so gives:

    All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds. 1 Corinthians 15:39

    Mankind are all related to one another through Adam and Noah:

    And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26​

    How quick was the resurrections in scripture, did they take thousands, millions or billions of years? No.

    What does scripture say of the New Heaven and the New Earth that will be done after the Great White Throne judgment and the wicked are completely destroyed. Shall we expect to wait around billions of years then as well? What of the New Heart? some people are evolutionists in this manner also...
     
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    Ellen White taught that Negroes evolved from apes
    Little wonder why she forbade interracial marriages and her sheeple followed this faithfully up to 1992
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99286
     

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