inexperienced pastor seeking a chance

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  1. matthew_williams81

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    I have been saved for about 6 years now and shortly afterwards, I began feeling God tugging at my heart to go into the ministry. Since then, I have been divorced ( she left me, I remained faithful till the end) and being that I don't have the "credentials" or experience other pastors have, quite frankly its hard getting into a church. I'm willing to get a degree but I could care less about credentials given by man. Any thoughts?
     
  2. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    Well Matthew that is quite a first post.

    Step one is to serve God where you are. You need to be active in the ministry of a local Baptist church and serving under the guidance of an experienced pastor. Education is great and you should start taking some classes, but the Biblical model is discipleship. You need to be working under another pastor who can prepare you for ministry.

    Divorce is going to hurt you in Baptist circles, regardless of the reasons. Most Baptists will disqualify you for the job of pastor. I am sure you understand their biblical reasons for this. But that does not mean God is through with you or has discarded you. There are still lots of other ministry opportunities including preaching.

    Prove yourself where you are Matthew. Support your pastor. Teach Sunday School. Drive a bus. Go soul winning. Lead others to Christ and bring them to church.

    I am big on planning. I love to know where I will be and what I will be doing 10 years from now. My entire life I have been very goal oriented. I saw where I wanted to be and I made plans to get there. God does not work that way. He wants us to trust him each day. He reveals his plan for our lives a day at a time. We don’t get a 10 year extended vision plan. At least I don’t.

    I am very frustrated with my own ministry right now Matthew. I had some education goals and have met them. I don’t know what God has next for me and it is frustrating. I don’t know what God wants me to do 5 years from now. But I do know what he wants me to do this weekend.

    Just take one step at a time brother.
     
  3. 4His_glory

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    NC tentmakers reply was good.

    I would echo what he said regarding divorce. To me personally I believe this would disqualify your from the role of a pastor, but certainly not from other areas of Christian service.

    I will add that it is imperatively important to get a good education before embarking into ministry. God says that a man who desires to be a bishop (pastor/ elder) must not be a novice- that is inexperienced. You need to know the Bible well and have a good handle on theology, how to exegete a text, and craft it into a message.

    I don´t say this to discourage you but to encourage you to pursue a solid, biblical education. Talk with you pastor. See what he recommends.
     
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    I haven't read the responses but let me tell you about my hubby's experience.

    He was in lay ministry years ago when we met and eventually married (working for Youth for Christ) and then he needed to support a family so he went on to do the computer engineering he was trained for. Time marched on, we had children, he sold a successful business and we found a new church.

    About 7 years ago, after we had been at this church for 5 years, hubby came to me and started telling me how he was really feeling that he needed to do something more "eternal" than the computer business (which eternal is like 6 months) and wanted to go into the ministry. We both prayed about it and he spoke to our pastor for guidance. Pastor told him that maybe it's not time yet and that he should continue to prepare himself for what God has in store for him and be faithful in his walk, so he did. About a year after that, Pastor came to him and wanted to have lunch. At this lunch, Pastor and our associate pastor met with hubby and told him "It's time." They wanted him to come on staff at church as a pastoral intern part time and begin training for the ministry. He was thrilled and I just said "So THAT'S how it's going to happen!" He was shocked. I told him that I always knew this day would come even though he had NO idea. :) God had prepared me even before he prepared my husband.

    So hubby came on staff and for 2 years was a pastoral intern. After that two years, he came on staff full time as a pastor although he was not yet ordained. After a full 2 years of training, he was ordained 3 years ago and is now a full-time pastor. It's amazing where God has taken us and it's exciting to think where we will be in the future.

    So my advice to you is to continue to pray on it and find yourself a good church to be under their teaching. Be faithful to God and what He wants you to do and if it's His will for you to go into the ministry, opportunities will happen and you will be able to turn around like my husband can and say "To God be the glory".

    God bless you as you seek His will!
     
  5. Carolina Baptist

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    I have just started as an Associate Pastor so I lack experience, but I would like to offer a suggestion. When you speak with your pastor, be willing to do whatever he has for you, encluding mowing the grass or cleaning the restrooms. You may want to ask about a youth ministry, prison ministry, nursing home ministry, etc. If someone in the church is already doing these, ask if you can help. It is a great ministry opportunity and good experience.
     
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    Serve, serve, serve wherever and whenever. Even for those of us without the divorce issue and a seminary degree, opportunities didn't just fall in our lap. I answered God's call to preach in 1988. It was 1995 before I was called to my first church. In that seven years I preached when asked, taught S.S., lead committees, worked with youth and children, sang in the choir, made lots of visits, served as a deacon, led special Bible studies, etc.
     
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    I always pastored a church from the day I decided to enter ministry. I am not sure what it would be like to-day with everyone so degree oriented. I only had Bible College at first and was ordained upon graduation in the British Baptist Union. I then came to Canada and within a few weeks I had a small pastorate in Ontario. The Korean War broke out and I became a military chaplain. I then owed the military 8 years, but it paid for my seminary and university studies.

    Early on a professor said to me, "Jim, whatever you become in life, be available." That to me is the key to service....Be available. Allow the Lord to have His way. It is always best. The only time I ran into trouble was when I decided I wanted a particular church to pastor. It lasted 8 months and it was hell on earth. We parted company with mutual blessings.

    Be patient, trust God and be available.

    Cheers, and bless,

    Jim
     
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    Being well trained for the ministry is a good thing. While some churches may place too much emphasis on the credentials I think a great deal more hold a high regard for the kind of training that God used to prepare the pastor they had 20 years ago who walked them through grandma's death, the pastor 10 years ago who was there for them when their wife found out she had an incurable disease, or the pastor who could just help make sense of the Bible to them.

    They respect the credentials because of the kind of men who have impacted their lives who held them.
     
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    Matthew,

    Keep keeping your eyes on God as he leads you. In his timing, if it is his will for you, it will happen.

    God bless, my brother in Christ.
     
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    I'm not a preacher or pastor, so forgive the intrusion into this thread. I just wanted to cite Jesus' training of his disciples for three years as a good example of preparation.
     
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    Yes, to GOD give the glory. I think you are probably a called minister of the Gospel.I will ask a questuin? Was Apostle Paul ever married? I can't find any evidence in the Bible, however I may have overlooked something.
     
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    Yes, theological training is indispensable, whether at a Bible College/seminary or at the feet of a seasoned, godly pastor.
     
  13. Major B

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    Training is essential, but most churches want it documented on a diploma. I studied the Bible for nearly 30 years before I pastored a church, but earned a seminary degree (MAR) to document it. I "tested out" of all of the (fully accredited) seminary's theolgy courses, but the parchment gave me validation and documentation of my education.

    However, I believe that the best way to train young men for the ministry is mentorship:

    (2 Tim 2:1-2) "You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."

    As has been said repeatedly, pastoring is probably not in the future for you.
     
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  15. matthew_williams81

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    Ok, I can see that there are a lot of fundementalist on here. I guess that you have never read 1 Corinthians 7. Well, let me refresh your memory....

    1 Cor 7:12-15
    "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: if any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not but her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. (But here's the kicker) But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or sister is not under bondage in such cases; but God hath called us to peace.


    So, you are telling me that since my ex-wife left me, I can't complete God's will in my life because she divorced me and I remarried? As the scriptures say, I am NOT under bondage. She is not saved. She was not pleased to stay with me.

    Now, to go to 1 Timothy 3. A bishop should be blameless..... is any man blameless? Haven't we all sinned? If a man should be "blameless" as man has put the spin on it, all pastors of all churches need to step down. If you are refering to in my past marriage, like I said before, she was not pleased with me and wanted the divorce that I was against.

    Am I supposed to quit on God just because she quit on me? Didn't He call me to preach?? That would be an enthusiastic YES!!!! My ex-wife, put down my calling. Told me I was crazy. My present wife is very excited and blessed that God would choose her to be a pastor's wife. She is supportive in every way she can be. She can't believe that God would make this her calling.

    Basically what I an saying is that if I am not under bondage would I also not be under condemnation and if I am not under condemnation in this matter, then that in turn would make me blameless in this matter. I realize that we are not blameless even though we are told to be so. Are we not called to be perfect and holy? We are most certainly not perfect. That my friends comes only by way of the blood of Christ. If God called me to be a pastor before the divorce, what am I to do with Romans 11:29 which says that the gifts and CALLING of God are WITHOUT repentance ( paraphrased).

    Did you know that the King of Glory, God Himself is divorced? He divorced Israel in Jeremiah chapter 3! He did this because of her adultery and He had Biblical grounds to do it. Does this mean that God is disqualified from being God? God is perfect, holy, righteous amd undefiled in His character eventhough he divorced Israel. To divorce an adulterous woman is not a sin or else God is guilty of sin. One could argue that Israel deserted God and that would be another reason for Him to put her away. If one that initiates a divorce under those standards is not guilty, how much so is one that is merely a victim of a rebellious woman running off and leaving Him. ( Hosea was used by God and Gomer left him quite a few times but in these days a man can't bring a woman like that back without her calling the cops on him...talk about being blameless, that would have been really cute!
     
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    Matthew,

    Regardless of what an individual's interpretation might be, the fact of the matter is that most baptist churches would not allow someone in your situation to be a pastor, fair or not.

    Now, if you are in other circles than those most common on this board, such as CBF or ABCUSA, then you may find opportunities for pastoring.
     
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    Divorce does not keep one from serving God. One can still preach the gospel and spread the Word of God like all are commanded to do. Being a pastor is not the only way to serve God. Most Baptist churches will not call a pastor who has been divorced and remarried to a different woman. All Baptist churches that follow the NT qualifications for pastors will not call a divorced pastor who is remarried to a different woman.
    My prayers are with you.
     
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    Have you ever thought of being a Missionary or even a Church Planter, both could use your call to Preach but would not require you to be a Pastor, which in my view you are disqualified for because of the divorce. God can still use you just not as a Pastor and he can use you to preach. :godisgood:
     
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    Am I missing something or can God do anything He wants for His glory. Although he is divorced, if God called him to pastor a church, God will have him pastor a church. If his ex-wife was not saved and wanted to leave him, that's her fault. She wanted it! He didn't. How dare a man say that God can not use someone to do what God calls him to do? Are we using man's standards and man's interpetations and just taking the parts of the bible we want? I see that God gives a provision for this! And Matthew has made it clear. Get your head out of the traditionalism of "what I was taught" and read the Bible for yourselves.
     
  20. Jim1999

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    The only thing that can prevent you from being a pastor, is God and man, man being the huge barrier.

    I married an Anglican woman, and pastored Baptist Churches all my life. One church even insisted that she partake of the Lord's Supper in that church!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     

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