Intel Official: Expect Less Privacy

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  1. KenH

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    Intel Official: Expect Less Privacy
    [​IMG]Nov 11 02:36 PM US/Eastern
    By PAMELA HESS
    Associated Press Writer


    [​IMG]WASHINGTON (AP) - As Congress debates new rules for government eavesdropping, a top intelligence official says it is time that people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

    Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people's private communications and financial information.

    - rest at www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SRKO580&show_article=1
     
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    Government and business have proven many times they are not that responsible. The minute your information gets into their hands or databases the chances of it being "lost" or stolen increase many fold.

    Look at all the stories that have come out just in the last couple years. We must be stupid, crazy or stupid and crazy to trust government and business (which are quickly being merged) with our private information.
     
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    The government is incapable of handling our personal informaiton in a responsible way. It is way too easy for this information to be misused.
     
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    That's what true privacy is.

    Especially on the net, and your personal information. There's only a few people who need to know these things about you.
     
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    What a concept, we'll just change the definition of the word to conform to our wishes. Now we got them!
     
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    Pedophiles preying on your children are more
    of a threat than inefficent government violating
    your privacy.

    Terrorsts preying on your children are more
    of a threat then dorky/sleepy government
    non-functionaries knowing what you do
    when you are by yourself.

    DUH!
     
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    Boy if that isn't loaded with grenades with the pins pulled.
     
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    O.P. article: // Privacy no longer can mean anonymity ... //

    The Scribe: //That's what true privacy is.//

    I respectfully disagree.
    Anonymity happens in public;
    Privacy happens in private.
    The Government has a right
    to know I'm in my house and when.
    They get no control over what I'm
    doing there, if it doesn't impinge
    on the privacy (not anonymity)
    of others.
     
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    I hope every government official reads some things such as the things of God that are true.
     
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    "The Government has a right to know I'm in my house and when."

    ?
     
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    couldn't disagree more.

    Today, information is power. Our government has evolved into such a power-hungry machine, they can't be content with just knowing "where we are."

    What if the pedophiles or terrorists are in the government?
    What if they get the information from some government nincompoop who shares the info? (Accidentally or otherwise).

    Forgive me for taking this a bit personal. One of my relatives, thanks to a government agency's bungling, had her identity stolen...so I trust the government in this area a bit less than zero.
     
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    Well I've had my identity stolen also.
    It should be a felony (federal) to have multiple
    identity cards in one's possession. There is no
    legitimate reason to have multiple ID cards
    unless you work for certain Government
    agencies in investigative &/or undercover jobs.

    The Federal Government can find out if
    I purchase (not if I eat them, unless they send
    someone out to monitor my sewer output)
    Doritos Cool Ranch or Doritos Chedar (and now
    you know also cause if I bought Doritos Cheddar
    I would have spelled it right the first time).
    But you know, that doesn't really matter, eh?

    BTW, a lawsuit has been brought against
    Cleveland County, Oklahoma. Seems the
    DA (District Attorney) office publishes
    the 'private data' of folks who do business
    with them. So if you you commit a felony
    in Cleveland County(or are charged with a felony)
    then your SSN is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
     
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    Maybe I stated that wrong:

    Any level of government has the right to
    know when I'm outside my house* and when.
    Any idiot** should be able to figure out if I am in
    my house and when.

    *note 'outside my house' is public
    ** obviously some government workers
    are not just 'any idiot' :(

    BTW, I've found out in certain counties
    in Oklahoma how to virtually walk down the street and find out
    who owns which house and how much they payed for
    it. It is a government data base. I was shocked to find out
    my friendly real-estate agent (she was president of the local
    real estate workers organization) didn't know this could be done???
     
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    For many years the government hired illegals to cut the disease out of trees in Oregon. Many illegals have more than one social security card too. I know someone who worked in a hospital who saw a lady who had six on her person.
     
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    The government only needs to know where you are if you're under house arrest, in jail, or a pedophile. They can't even keep tabs on them.

    If I'm in my home, minding my own business, not doing anything to hurt someone, then they need to do something else. Like fix/end this war, the economy, the border, drugs, and so on they need to focus on bigger things.
     
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    //If I'm in my home, minding my own business,
    not doing anything to hurt someone, ... //

    How do they know that without checking???

    Recall here that 'they' can include any number
    of Goverments, governmental organizations,
    investigative organizations, police groups,
    spy groups, etc. The levels of govermnent
    are: special purpose groups usually specified
    by a state: water districts, road groups,
    park; local city groups [state rules];
    local county groups [state rules];
    States; multi-state government districts [federal rules];
    Federal government [judicial rules];
    Federal government [war rules - like FEMA];
    Federal government [executative rules];
    Federal government [legeslative rules];
    Federal government [locational rules -
    like Federal resource area, Federal reservation,
    Indian Nations reservations {some state rules too}
    Federal buildings, State Department foreign
    reservations, etc. etc. etc. - ad nausum /till you
    get sick, tee hee/ ];
    Federal government [can't tell you
    if I don't know and won't tell you if I did know];
    and a few unknown levels.

    (if I help scab the screen writers strike,
    my screen play will be for a CSI group
    that runs multiple agencies [maybe 6 or 7]
    all with a spy in a terrorist group
    [the whole terrorists group, all its members
    are government works from different agencies
    and levels of government]. ;) )

    About 15 maybe 20 years ago I was
    watching a police show. Some AFT
    guys raided a house. (The front doesn't
    say AFT, it says nothing). Sorry, if they
    had raided me I'd been shooting.

    On 3 May 1999 an F6 (317MPH+ winds)
    tornado struck in Central Oklahoma
    striping the sod off a 1/4-mile wide
    path some 3 miles long (and 1/8-mile
    for another 3 miles, etc)
    taking 62 lives and destroying over 600 homes.
    Two areas (one in north Moore, Ok, the other
    in Del City, Oklahoma) were owned by FEMA
    /with cooperation from local & contract
    police/ for like six months.
     
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    I hope this guy (brainless bureaucrat mentioned in the OP) is "reassigned," and quickly.

    Given the gubmint's reputation for screwing up pretty much everything they're in charge of (with a few exceptions), they cannot be trusted with defining (and redefining, and re-redefining) "privacy."
     
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    Do you own a cell phone? If so they can easily track you.
     
  19. The Scribe

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    They don't need to check up on people in their homes. That's big brother and it's against what America is supposed to be.

    I don't have a cell phone. :)
     
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    "Kerr said at an October intelligence conference in San Antonio that he finds concerns that the government may be listening in odd when people are "perfectly willing for a green-card holder at an (Internet service provider) who may or may have not have been an illegal entrant to the United States to handle their data."

    Good point.

    Any internet users out there?
     

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