Intellectual or inspired learning?

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  1. ajg1959

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    There are a couple of folks on the BB that seem to believe that their education gives them a closer relationship and understanding of God. They seem to think that they, and only they, understand God's Word.

    I do not disagree that education helps, but can it sometimes make us "holier than thou" and disrepectful of laymen?

    I personally want to learn all I can about God's Word, but several folks on here have made me afraid of learning, because I would never want to come to the point where I thought I knew it all, and that everyone else is beneath me.

    So, what is better?

    An innocent literal understanding of the bible?

    Or an intense theological degree?

    Should the scholars teach us, or should we look for inspiration from the Holy Spirit, no matter how lacking our seminary education may be?

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  2. Marcia

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    I think you're making false dichotomies here. Many of the most passtionate defenders of God's word are educated people, not just college but beyond. Many here who defend the 6 days of creation, for example, have seminary training or degrees.

    Some people who are not educated can be very wrong about how they interpret the Bible. Not being educated does not make one more innocent or somehow more pure with God's word. I don't think there is such a thing as "innocent" understanding of the Bible. And what is an "intense theological degree?"

    This is that old stereotype of the humble uneducated Christian vs. the slick Christian with a seminary degree. These are stereotypes only.
     
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    Learning is a good thing. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I would like to have some seminary training, but God just has prompted me enough to make it happen.

    I do think sometimes people get too dependent on themselves and not depend enough on the Spirit of God in understanding scripture. But that is a flaw in the person, not the education.
     
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    Also, what's with the "intellectual vs. inspired" idea? Only God's words in the Bible are inspired. People aren't.

    Intellect, reason, thinking, and logic are all based in God's character.
     
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    A true education demonstrates how much there is to learn rather than resting on how much one has learned.

    I never allowed a church to publish my degrees for fear that some would take pride in their "degreed" pastor, rather than rest on the word their pastor taught and preached.

    Besides, opening our mouths can establish our degree of learning or lack thereof, so, why broadcast it in advance?

    Cheers,

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    Before continuing I would like to request that you list the people you (and I suppose we) are talking about.

    Who is this? Otherwise its just gossip.
     
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    Sorry, this is not about pointing fingers. or accusing certain folks, it is a general question about biblical understanding.

    Does it take all of these doctorates and book learning to understand God's will for my life?

    It is not gossip at all.

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    I can appreciate what you are saying.

    I know of one pastor here locally that has "Dr so and so" on the door of his office, but he is the most self centered, ego maniac I have ever met. He honestly believes it is up to him to determine who is a "baby christian" and who is a "mature christian", and he treats you according to how he judges that.

    My pastor has at least a masters but it is hard to get him to tell you he has it.

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    Marcia, i love you and your ministry, but, I have to say that these are not just "stereotypes" they are real issues that are wide spread, not just in our churches, but here on the BB.

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    But we as humans are not capable of understanding God's Intellect, reason, thinking, and logic.

    Inspiration is all we have.

    If we depend on our own understanding we will fail every time. And if we try to understand God, we will fail even worse.

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    You noticed that have you. I've been here for 8 years, and noticed it the first couple of months. the people and names have changed, this has not. Some people beleive education gives the right to think they are better then the rest of us, and they and only they have a solid grounded relationship with God, no one else can ever be satisfying to God because they are uneducated.
     
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    Over the winter, when I was having a hard time with life, a bunch of folks from here on the BB PM'd me, wrote me letters, called me on the phone ect, and I know even more preayed for me, but the ones that did this were the humble ones that dont say a whole lot about their education. None of the intelluctuals even acknowledged me.

    When I first came to the BB I was looking for the wisdom of the educated, but now I appreciate and crave the love of the people that cared about me, not their education.

    Anyway, the point of my thread was that sometimes a dedicated christian is closer to God and can do more for God than someone that has 12 doctorates.

    There are many lovers of God here on the BB that are inspired to love others, and there are a few here that just "study" about it.
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    I will name some of the folks that show love and dont boast of their education.

    FollowingHim

    Annsni

    Revmitchell

    Tinytim

    John Topass

    Salamander

    Amy G

    Rbell (even tho he dont agree with me on many things, he still loves me)

    Gina L

    C4K (Roger)

    I am sure I missed some, and I do apologise, but the point is that these folks cared about me when I needed caring. They didnt care about their education or mine.

    I didnt recieve any encouragement from the "intellectuals" here on the board, but they are the first to "correct" anything they deem incorrect.

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    I'll take your rebuke (however, I'm not nearly as educated as most here seem to be). I will say this I look at these type of forums as discussion tools for myself seeking to learn something. Sometimes just to debate. Some times to throw ideas out there to see what people say. I never look at these forums as social sites. Not really because I'm hidden behind the computer screen and can obtain a sense of anonymity. I overlook the fact that this is actually a social site where people actually get to know each other and befriend each other. I'm so use to doing that in the world out side the net I'm inept at it online. So what I display here isn't what my family sees or my friends or aquantences. So if I seem uncaring I'm sorry. Or if I seem full of myself I apologize as well. I like debating even if I don't agree with a particular point just for the fun of it but people here are very serious about what they are putting forward. So, I will attempt to keep in mind what you say and maybe get to know a few of you along the way.
     
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    But God created us in his image and gave us a mind and the ability to reason. We are supposed to use it. The fact we can't understand like God is not an excuse to not use reason and intellect.

    I don't know what you mean by "inspiration." It is not all we have. In fact, I don't think we have it at all, except that we have God's inspired word. But we use reason to read it, and we are taught by the Holy Spirit. But we also use our mind.

    I think you are making a mistake of thinking that using the mind or reason is somehow against the Bible, but it isn't. And improving knowledge and learning is a good thing.
     
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    How do you know these people are not intellectual? You seem to want to make being intellectual a bad thing.

    Taking an anti-intellectual stand can be reverse snobbery, you know. Not all snobby people are "intellectual" or smart or educated. I've known quite a few uneducated snobs. Pride is a universal flaw.
     
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    What I am saying is that some of the most uneducated folks I know actually make an effort to live the Bible, and a few just study it.

    Education doesnt make a person more godly, contrary to what some may believe about themselves.

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    I am sure that they are very educated, but they dont make a point of correcting everyone and every thing...they dont push their knowledge on others.

    Some on here pull their knowledge and wave it like a sword.

    Why does this thread bother you so much?

    Is it personal to you?

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  19. Marcia

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    And I'm saying is that a lot of educated folks make an effort to live out the Bible.

    I don't think anyone has said that and I doubt very many believe it.

    Being uneducated doesn't make one more godly either.

    Most of the false teachers I know of are uneducated.
     
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    Why do educated people bother you so much?

    I've come across this before - on the BB and elsewhere. I call it reverse snobbery. It gives some people permission, in their minds, to knock others. You've already done that, by saying there are people on the BB who are 'intelllectual' and were not kind to you. Why don't you settle it with them? It's not nice to start a whole thread on it.
     
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