International Seminaries

The African DTh=the USA ThD in nomenclature but not in curricula.

The African or UK Mth is NOT the USA ThM!

SAQA is the equivalent of USA regional accreditors.

IMO SATS is short on curricula.

My doc is from Unizul and I think I learned a lot. It cost about $3000. It took three years. IMO, one should do a US sort of MDiv AND ThM (not just a MA) first.

 

I earned the doc a month before turning 65. So, have little experience about how others , who have the ability to do that, view it.

I can say that Wayne House who is quite experienced in Christian grad education having taught at Dallas , authored 30 books, and was president of ETS, considers my ThD as the equivalent of the USA. Wayne has me doing a little research for him now.And I can also say that Gary Derickson (PhD-DTS) , tenured prof at Corban after reading my dissertation, thought it equivalent of a Dallas doctoral product.

I presented a paper at ETS and have taught a little bit in an accredited seminary but am mostly retired.

BTW, I think Unizul would not let one into a doc on the basis of the MDiv...but in your case, as you have also an MA they may. A thesis done in a masters program on which one receives high marks evidences to the UZ faculty of Religion and Theology that a prospective student can do grad level research. If such a thesis is not done, one may have to do one for UZ to evidence the ability to perform independent research.

When you see that Arminian heretic, Russell, say "Hi" for me.

 

I'm sorry. My memory has lapses. I confused you with another.So, neither would you know Russell.

It is my understanding , but may be wrong, that the UZ faculty would not look upon the USA MDiv as a qualification for entering a DTh program .

But an MA might suffice IF it is nationally (eg, TRACS) or regionally accredited and included a thesis.

I suppose, were this true, the logic would be that whereas the MA in Bible commonly is predicated on a BA in Bible, the USA MDiv may be preceded by a BA in horticulture-or whatever.

The effect may be that one with a BA/MA in Bible actually has more Bible than one with the higher masters--the MDiv. And, whereas many MA / ThM programs require a thesis, many MDiv's do not.

Where we are looking ahead to earning higher degrees it may be advisable to contact the particular schools where we might apply.

Even in the USA, as I suppose you know, one RA accredited seminary may have different requisites for entering and completing academic doctorates than does another.

EG, Dallas considers the post MDiv ThM as the prereq for the PhD. One without the ThM will do more work! In contrast the Baptist Seminary of Pa, a school I favor and which allows much to be done by DE, only requires the MDiv. If one has a ThM, one need not do as much for the PhD!

While UZ and other SA public unis may allow the beginning of a doc in Theology with a 1 or 2 year MA, IMO, the MA is insufficient to provide the background to do a doc.

Bill G

 

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Hi Rhet

I would say, based on my experience, that a well researched and written master's thesis of perhaps 100-150 pages (my ThM was a little less though) is , as you say, a prerequisite both to entry and to providing the experience to finish a South African research only doc. The UZ faculty (which btw required NOT that I visit South Africa) did require that I be able to do independent research. And that know how is gotten partly by doing a prior thesis.

 

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