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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by gb93433, Oct 3, 2004.
Did anyone see the interview with Rick Warren tonight? What did you think?
What tv station or show was this on?
I think it was Dateline.
I watched it the one clip they had of him preaching he said "God want's you to be you."
God doesen't want me to be me, because I'm I filty sinner in this flesh. Not to impressed I have never been a fan to say the least.
"Just as I am" is a pretty historic preaching theme . . .
Yup, it was Dateline. I was at the gym while it was on, and, darn it, I forgot my headphones, so, lacking the ability to read lips, I missed the content. I knew it was gonna be on, but plum forgot!!!
I beg to differ. God wants you to be you. He wants you as you are. He just doesn't want you to do what you do. There are too many unbelievers who don't move in God's direction because they think God doesn't want them as they are. We don't need believers buying into that as well.
I watched it. It was fairly interesting. I learned some things about him I did not know before. There are several points where I think he is trying to mirror the ministry of Billy Graham. I still haven't completely made up my mind what I think about him, though. I think I need to read his books again and analyse what he is saying a bit closer.
IMHO, the clip did Rick Warren a disservice! Dateline probably took selected excerpts from the interview, pieced them together to make Warren appear as another "religious" misadventure. But, maye I'm paranoid.
can you put that quote in context bob?
I could take your statement
"God doesn't want me to be me"
and use it to attack your weak position on the sovreignty of God, after all, if God wanted you to be someone else, it would be so.
Is there a transcript?
God want's you to be you. First it's very possible that if dateline would have showed the whole message are at least more of it, it could have made more sense. And if you preach a message to unsaved yes God want's us just as we are. If speaking to the saved God want's us to change to be transformed into the image of Christ! At least that's what Gods word says (but since where talking about Rick Warren God's word doesen't matter.)
Rick Warren has a great respect for W.A. Criswell. It was Criswell who prayed for him many years ago.
Anyone know if there's a transcript available?
Someone who saw the interview told me last night that Warren said in teh interview that he never talks about things like abortion and homosexuality because people who are there are hurting and he doesn't want to offend them. If that is true, then it is shows that Warren is compromising the teaching of God's word for the sake of not offending people.
Has anyone found a transcript?
Like I said I saw the interview, I don't remember every word he said but what Larry heard is about right. It brakes my heart and it angers me that Satan has blinded the eyes of the Christian. To by into this trash and that's all it is trash. Another divertion that Satan has set up to take the focus off of what matters. I can hear St Paul now The Cross is offensive to those who are parrishing. So don't preach it we woulden't want to offend them. They may not like us. And they won't come around to this amusement park we try to pass off as a church and we won't be able to pay for it.
Think I'm gonna hurl. Comon' guys. Hearsay and selecting tidbits from sermons and books and such is not the way to deal with the subject.
Fact: Saddleback (Warren's church) has one of the largest anti-abortion ministries I know of. Counseling, helping, adoption, ministering to the victims. But you say Warren is evil because he doesn't preach exactly the way you think.
Fact: Saddleback has a tremendous ministry to the homosexual community.
To call, his church, his preaching, his books "trash" is an opinion, but not an educated one.
Dr Bob I have great respect for you from what I have read on this web sight. But what I comment on is not just tid bit's of info. I have read a good amount of info on Warren so I believe one can draw a conclusion from research that they have done. And that is what I have done not just him but the whole neo evangelical movement wich he is part of. Do I say he is wrong because he doesen't preach like I believe one should, yes that's why it's my openion based on what I have read. There is some good things I guess that Warren has done. But do the means justify the end IMO no because the end of the neo evangelical movement is all of us being one Catholic's, Episcople, Mormans, United Methodis ect...(look at Promise keepers) and not just religios movements becoming as one but the church being one with the world. I don't care how many good work's Warren and his like do it doesen't justify watering down the Word of Godthis is the direction he is going does he totaly water it down no but the next Warren will water it down the next one a little more and then what do we have a social club just like the path the United Methodis Church took with just a little bit of comprimise to start and now you have Methodist who think there going to heaven because of people in the past comprimised.IMO
I can attest to this firsthand, and I must agree with Dr Bob. Saddleback has no doubt prevented thousands of abortions, and their ministry to pregnant women is well known and respected in the community. I've seen it firsthand, several times. Those who "think" Warren doesn't take a stand against abortion are flat out wrong.
Again, I can attest to this firsthand, and concur with Dr Bob. There are hundreds of homosexuals who have abandoned the homosexual lifestyle because of Saddleback's outreach program. I've known several. I can't think of any other church in the area that has an outreach program to help them do this. Those who "think" Warren doesn't take a stand against homosexuality are flat out wrong.
Again, I've seen this, firsthand, for myself.
I have yet to see evidence that Rick Warren waters down the word of God.
Are you talking about Promise Keepers including Mormons? I do have an issue with that but I don't think Rick Warren does this. Are you saying that Rick Warren includes Mormons as Christians? You are mixing a lot of things together here and one might think that's what you mean. Please clarify.
Rick Warren I don't believe includes Mormans. Not sure but I don't think there's any way he would.
What I said is when we start to compromise on
little thing's. This is very dangerous ground we see that in the neo evangelical movement they IMO want to see people get saved. To the point that they are willing to become to much like the world in a attempt to reach the world. Is that thinking logical apparently to many it is to me at first glance it makes since. But I don't believe it's God's way. If you don't see the evidence then join the club. you I believe are in the majority. But being the majority doesen't make it correct.