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What are the standards?

CALVINISM. Calvin's Institutes, Westminster Confession, Belgium Confession, Philadelphia Confession, Saturday Morning Mass Confession (oops, sorry that's Catholic, but my what a remarkable resemblance).

Fundamental Baptists: THE BIBLE.

 

You are quite a paradox. How can you be so right on the character of Calvin and Baptist distinctives, and so wrong on sovereignty?

 

LOL........because he's not "wrong" on "Sovereignty"..............I might ask you the SAME question......

How is it that YOU "GET-IT" about the Universal Church and the character of Calvin............and yet you STILL are "Calvinist" in Soteriology?

You understand the "Baptist Distinctives" and yet you believe a view of Soteriology not normally connected with "baptists" or their distinctives........

S.N...............You are as paradoxical as Dr. J. is......
:wavey:

 

I beg your pardons, I am not a pterodactyl

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj5I6oyoPXs :laugh:

 

I "Laughed out Loud"!............God Bless YOU E.W.F. for bringing some levity and joy to some of these discussions....

You are an "encourager"........ and you act thus.

I appreciate you.

One day (despite your status as a Yankee) I would love to toast your posts with a cool glass of Chimay "Trappist Ale"!...

I "LIKE" a lot of people on this board..........I've never met someone I would rather have a beer with than you!

God Bless you Brother! :godisgood:

 

One does not have to think Calvin was a saint to believe in God's sovereignty. Also, believing in God's sovereignty does not go counter to Baptist distinctives. Maybe you failed the matching test.

 

No,he wasn't a primary source. He was banned from Geneva 9 years before the Servetus incident.

You are quite deficient in historical facts as youi have amply demonstated in prior threads.

Quoting from Jean Cadier's book The Man God Mastered,on page 159 it relates the following:"He [Servetus] was recognized amongst the congregation by some of the faithful,denounced to the criminal lieutenant and arrested. A complaint was lodged against him by Calvin's secretary,Nicolas de la Fontaine who,in accordance with the genevan law,was imprisoned at the same time as the man he had accused."

 

No............they don't have to.

"Sovereignty" is the only concept in Theology proper which you still fail to comprehend my brother

Once you get the "Sovereignty" facet of God's attributes........................................

you'll actually drop the rest of the Calvinist assertions like a bad habit. You weren't born to be a "Calvinist".....your whole soul screams against it.

The problem is.......

That Calvinist Polemicists have taught you that God's "Sovereignty" is only rightly expressed within the Calvinist schema. That's not true. It never was. If the Calvinist view is correct..............it has NOTHING to do with "Sovereignty" as a facet of God's being.........It has EVERYTHING to do with God's NATURE . The non-Calvinist argument has NOTHING to do with "Sovereignty"......it has EVERYTHING to do with properly defining God's Nature.
I encourage you to watch this full link from Jerry Walls which defines the issue in terms of "Sovereignty" and yet exposes the mistake the Calvinist schema makes with regard to God's character.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Daomzm3nyIg

Winman's link was outstanding..........and Jerry Wall's post will be repeatedly posed against Calvinists until it is responded to correctly...........

It WON'T go away.

 

Yet another falsehood

Yeshua1 simply makes us falsehoods and posts them. God's sovereignty is something to worship and adore. So Yeshua1 claims it bothers me. Fiction on top of fiction.

Misdirection, misinformation, distortion, deception, are the stock and trade of Yeshua1. He disparages others using fictional charges in post after post after post.

Folks, scriptural truth is appealing, and it denies we are always free to choose Christ, we can become hardened and lose what limited spiritual ability we have. We need cultivation, planting and watering to trust fully in Christ. So scripture teaches limited spiritual ability, and even that can be lost.

One thing is certain, Calvinism is not based on what scripture says, it is based on unwarranted extrapolations of scripture. Scripture says no one seeks God. Calvinism rewrites it to say, no one seeks God at any time. Never mind Paul saying the Jews were seeking God through works.

Calvinism says our election for salvation was unconditional. However, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says our election for salvation was through faith in the truth.

Calvinism says Christ did not die for all mankind, yet scripture says He laid down His life as a ransom for all.

Calvinism says the call is through irresistible grace, and once called nothing can prevent a person from coming to faith. However Matthew 23:13 has men entering heaven, who are then blocked by false teachers presenting false doctrine.

Calvinism is based on the inventions of men as they speculated and expanded the range and scope of biblical truth. Speculation is the mother of mistaken doctrine. We should ask ourselves, what is the least scripture could be saying and not add to it.

 

You don't understand the discipline of "history" it appears............"Historically" as a legitimate Academic Discipline considers "Castellio" a "Primary" source...........you deny that truth by claiming that he was "banned" from Geneva 9 years earlier????

So What??..................Who Banned him? Calvin???????? DUH..............of course Calvin banned him........what else is new?

I've quoted Primary source after Primary source to you..........from Calvin, (who was there) to Castellio............

and yet you appeal to people who lived HUNDREDS of years after....

You aren't smart......you are an annoying flea who who has obfuscated a reasonable understanding of history.

 

He wasn't there.

You can say that again!

 

Winman posted...

Absolutely. Agree 100% Calvinism is overflowing with false teaching and heretical doctrine.

 

NOPE!!!! NONE NADA!.................

It's the sheer stupidity in the portion I bolded which has absolutely NO Biblical merit.

The portion I bolded is ONLY submitted by stupid or deceptive people Yeshua.........

That's the part which is a lie.