Is Faith "requirement" to be saved by God?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    As some post here that faith is to be seen as a work, or that Gods election means one is born justified already, and to require faith is 'works theology".

    IS faith a requirement in order to get saved, and IF one holds that it is not needed, is THAT heresy?
     
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    If by 'saved' you mean regenerated, then no, faith is a result of regeneration not the cause of it.
     
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    Is there a chance that regeneration is the grace that was through/followed the faith?

    Lets say because Jesus was obedient unto the death of the cross, that is He shed his innocent blood, God the Father set him forth a propitiation (the place of mercy, the mercy seat) by grace.

    Then we would have: Through the faith (his shed blood), according to his mercy (he was set forth the place of mercy, by God ), he saved us by
    grace, (that is) the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

    Let see I believe it was the Father that raised Jesus from the dead, (Gave him life again) Gal. 1:1 And he did this by his Spirit, Rom. 8:11 and Jesus received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:33.


    Did I get anything wrong?
     
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    Look, faith does not save anyone. Grace is what does that. Faith is the conduit through which Grace goes. No faith= no salvation.

    We are saved by grace through faith.
     
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    Does that mean you agree with my post? :)

    Look at it close.
     
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    Do you hold to we MUST place faith in jesus in order to be saved by grace of God?
     
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    can we be regenerated by god and also NOT be saved, as salvation happens when we place faith in jesus!
     
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    Faith in Christ is not only a requirment, it is the ONLY requierment to be saved.

    Faith + nothing = eternal salvation

     
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    Amen!

    We are saved "by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone"
     
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    Faith plus nothing = salvation??? Total fiction.

    God crediting our faith as righteousness = basis for election for salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    Matthew 13 teaches of three kinds of people who receive the gospel, but only one kind has their faith credited as righteousness. That was the one that went all in for Jesus.

    Regeneration simply means being originated again, and that occurs after God spiritually puts us in Christ based on crediting our faith as righteousness. Calvinism claims regeneration occurs before a person is made alive together with Christ. Total Fiction.
     
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    Works are the RESULT of our faith, not the CAUSE of it.

    Election does not destroy human responsibility. Don't confuse sanctification (Christian living) with justification.
     
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    Faith is not, nor can it 'ever be considered' a work.
    Rom 4:3-6 establishes this fact.

    Does scripture state - Believe and be saved (as in eternally saved)? You bet.
    Does this negate the fact that other scripture says we are saved by grace through faith... Absolutely not. One is simply a shorted version but just as true as the longer version because one would take longer do describe theologically.

    It is by 'faith' that that we have His propitiation imparted/applied (whatever you wish to call it) to us (Rom 3:25) and not prior to nor before we had believed. That propitiation is the very means and reason for our 'eternal' salvation and not timely.

    Scripture states NO ONE comes to the Father except THROUGH Jesus. Not just passing through Jesus, but COMING TO "Him". Thus we are appointed once to die, and then the judgment and Jesus words ring ever more clearly - unless you repent, you shall ALL likewise perish.
     
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    The only total fiction is your foul post.You keep repeating these same errors.Archangel walked you through the verses and offered correction,which you ignore:BangHead:
     
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    Van, I said...

    and you said...

    I am sorry, but it is the truth. Faith in Christ alone gurantees us our salvation.

    Absolutly. So why did you DENY that truth in your 1st response?


    Absolutly. Again, then why did you call it fiction when I posted it?

    Of course. So why did you disagree earlier??

    Well OF COURSE IT IS! Calvinism is filled with horrible errors.


    Now I think I know what was going on earlier.

    You thought I was a calvinist. I am not!
     
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    28 They said therefore unto him, What must we do, that we may work the works of God?
    29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Jn 6
     
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    Reply to AIC

    Hi AIC, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do know you are not a Calvinist. The view, which you may or may not hold, if the idea that if we place our faith in Christ, that automatically saves you. No, it does not. The second and third soils of Matthew 13 put their faith in Christ, yet were not saved. The point is that God alone decides whether or not to credit our faith as righteousness. Otherwise, salvation would depend upon the man that wills, which is contrary to Romans 9:16.

    Now if God does credit our faith as righteousness, He puts us "in Christ" the sanctification by the Spirit. Thus God chooses us for salvation through the sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the Truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
     
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    This is the most some of the most Calvinistic posting anywhere on BB if you are not careful...you are going to get Icono saying: :thumbsup::tongue3::applause::love2: are you a Calvinist????

    Anyone who places their faith in Christ is saved.
     
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    Pitchback

    Folks Iconoclast posts foul posts like this one, devoid of content, but full of falsehood. Just read 2 Thessalonians 2:13, as it is written, not the revised wording in the ESV, and you will see on what basis we are chosen during our lives. Archangel disagrees with Daniel B. Wallace and a host of other scholars, in his rewrite of 2 Thessalonians 2:13. The NASB, the NKJV, the KJV, the HCSB and the NET agrees with the mainstream reading. It reads "for salvation" not "to be saved", thus "through the sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth" modifies "chosen." And this is made clear in 1 Peter 1:1-2, where chosen is again modified, i.e. chosen... by the sanctifying work of the Spirit. Thus election for salvation occurs when God sets us apart in Christ!
     
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    Folks, to repeat, Matthew 13 tells us of two kinds of people who put their faith in Christ and are not saved. Putting our faith in Christ does not automatically save us, because Romans 9:16 precludes that view.

    My view is not Calvinist nor Arminian, it is Biblical and I cited the verses that plainly teach it!!!
     
  20. Alive in Christ

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    Van...

    Regarding the "soils", I agree that if someone simply recites certain words, because someone said to do it to be saved, they are not not going to be saved.

    It goes without saying that a person has to be experiencing some degree conviction, and the person truly desires new life.

    Thats what I meant in my 1st post.
     
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