Is gambling a sin?

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  1. Jefferson

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    I haven't found a verse yet that says it is.
     
  2. God 4 All

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    Hey Jefferson !

    Nor have I, however, considering that losses typically outweigh gains where gambling is concerned, I can certainly put time and money to better use in service to the Lord.

    reference verse:

    1John 3:17 "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him ?"
     
  3. Scarlett O.

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    Dear Jefferson,

    Yes, I think that gambling is a sin and here's why.

    1. It's the concept of getting something for absolutely nothing. Would you like to get a million or more dollars for just one dollar? I sure would!! But, that not how God explained that we get our needs. Somewhere in Proverbs (I think) it states, "Look to the ant, ye sluggard"... It talks about how the ant works and stores up for its time of need.

    And look at Joseph. When he interpreted the dream about famine for the Pharoah, he gave the Pharoah the Godly advice of storing up as much as they could for time of want. And they did.

    2. It's addictive. Highly and grossly addictive. My mother was in a convience store paying for gas one day when she saw a man buying lottery tickets. He told her, "My wife thinks I'm buying diapers for the baby", and he laughed a very pitiful laugh.

    Who gets addicted to this? Just about anyone who starts it on a regular basis. And a large portion of lottery addicts are below the middle-class level.

    I see what gambling has done to my state (Louisiana) and it's very ugly.

    Let's look to God for our needs.

    Peace-

    YSIC
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    Gambling in and of itself is not a sin. If you gamble occasionally with small amounts of money for entertainment purposes, I'm not gonna give you any flack.

    I don't gamble because I don't find it very entertaining to lose money.....

    [ May 30, 2002, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: russell55 ]
     
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    Gambling is a tax on those who are bad at math!

    Not long ago my wife and I were down on the Gulf coast area of Mississippi and I noticed a million dollar marque which read "Up to 97% return on all slots!" Now, go figure! Say you had a suitcase full of One Hundred dollar bills and you gave me one of those bills and I gave you $97.00 back--and we kept going back and forth like that--how long would it take you to figure out that I was rippin' you off?

    Those "boat" owners will let you win just enough to keep you coming back so that they can rob you in slow motion! That's what gambling is--its being robbed in slow motion!

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    So to receive something for nothing is sin? How about when we receive a gift?

    I'm not sure I see the application to gambling.

    Well one of my addictions is buying books. Yet just because I have an addiction to it does not make the act of buying books sinful.

    You are confusing two different things: sin and things that can lead to sin. Gambling can definitely lead to sin. But so can a hunger for certain kinds of foods.

    Amen. And let's also look to God's Word for what is and what is not sin.
     
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    [ May 30, 2002, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan ]
     
  9. Johnv

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    I would have to paraphrase Christ when he says it's not money, but the love of money that is the root of evil.

    I would have to say that it's not gambling, but the love of gambling, that is a sin. Tossing a couple of coins into a slot machine isn't a sin, but tossing your whole paycheck into it for the intent of getting a payback, now that's a sin.

    Hey, I hate gambling and would love for it to be a sin. But the above is my interpretation of what Jesus might think. Other than that, the Bible is pretty silent.
     
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    Gambling is trying to get somthing that belongs to another becasue of greed. The desire to have more then what God has given you. The desire to have what others have.
    Sound familar doesn't it? Doesn't God say something about that?
     
  11. Scarlett O.

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    To Johnv. -

    You said that gambling wasn't the sin, it was the love of gambling...

    Couldn't one say that gambling, and not the love of gambling, is a manifestation OF the love of money? All by itself?

    Just a thought.

    To Jonathon:

    I'm not a fire and brimstone, all-gamblers-go-hell kind of gal. Trust me. I don't want to sound that way.

    You implied that if the concept of getting something for nothing was a sin, then getting a gift was a sin.

    You just can't compare someone giving you a gift with sitting back and waiting for the money to roll in. Gifts are given usually because you have earned something. Earned people's trust or love or respect. Either that or they drew your name for the office Christmas party!

    Maybe I wasn't clear. Getting something for nothing. No work. No labor. No sacrifice. Earning absolutely nothing. And still thinking the world owes you something. Something BIG. That just can't be a Godly attitude towards life. That's greed.

    Sounds to me like your book addiction is just a fun hobby. I have those, too.

    Clear addictions are destructive and evil. Hobbies are just fun.

    No, there is no verse that says, "Thou shalt not gamble thy money away".

    But I still think that gambling falls under the love of money and greed.

    But I don't think that gamblers have any more of a sin problem than anyone else.

    I just have to voice my conviction.

    Peace to you today-

    YSIC
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    Warm Christian greetings!

    How about "Abstain from all appearance of evil"
    1 Thess 5 v 22.

    If anything has the appearance of evil, gambling has!

    Kind regards

    Robert J Hutton
     
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    Yeah, you could say that. You could also make the same arguement about smoking. Anyone who smokes knows it doesn't take long before you're hooked. Yet, there are plenty of people who smoke occaisionally (once a week or so, when they go out).

    Likewise, there are a fair number of people who gamble, not necessarily because of the intent to gain free money, but because of the entertainment. Now, I'm not into gambling. But the last time I did it was about 3 years ago, and I was playing blackjack. I speant 2 hours at the table and speant a total of $16.00. It wasn't about the money, it was about beating the dealer's hand. I speant more money than that when I went to see Attack of the Clones.

    I have no doubt there are many faithful Baptist born again men out there who occaisionally will get together with their buddies and play a few rounds of nickel poker, whilst downing a Bid light and/of puffing at a stogie. As much as I'm not a fan of these three vices (smoking, drinking, and gambling) I hesitate to call them sins, unless the actions become addictive in nature.
     
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    What about a state lottery? Say it goes to education and I decide I will give $52 a year to this fund through the lottery. So I buy a $1.00 ticket each week during the year, and if I win $10 million - well great. Would that be a sin, or not?

    One redeemed by Christ's blood,

    Ken
     
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    ...That which is not of faith is sin.
     
  16. Ransom

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    Jefferson said:

    I haven't found a verse yet that says it is.

    Gambling is the epitome of covetousness, since all your winnings come from the losses of others.
     
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    When I invested money in my business it was a Gamble. When I receive money from others it is at the loss of others.

    When you gamble the loss from others is through money they put up "to lose". It was calculated to be an acceptable loss vs. reward. Therefore, it is not truly a loss, but a "cost" of entertainment or doing business, however you wish to look at it.

    The bank gambled you would pay back their loan when you took it out. Sure they have recourse, but every bank takes some loss on loans. Some so great it put them out of business (remember 1987), yet gambling is a required event in a capitalist society.

    Yet, I agree it is a sin, one that we will continue to partake in.
     
  18. Ransom

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    post-it said:

    When I invested money in my business it was a Gamble.

    The calculated risk undertaken in a business venture is not gambling except in an informal sense. Entrepreneurship is not a game of chance in which the outcome is determined by the laws of probability (which are stacked against you in the first place).

    When I receive money from others it is at the loss of others.

    Not so. Presumably those others received what they perceive to be fair value in exchange, whether it be the goods and services you offer or a share in your business.

    Where is the fair exchange in a game of chance? When you win a million dollars in the lottery, 999,999 other people lose a dollar and get nothing in return.

    Therefore, it is not truly a loss, but a "cost" of entertainment or doing business, however you wish to look at it.

    This is assuming that every gambler is motivated by the pleasure of playing and not the possibility of winning. Since the people I have seen in casinos playing the slots don't look like they're having a particularly good time, I suspect that the latter is more frequently the case.

    In short: business risk and games of chance are apples and oranges.
     
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    Here is what I have discovered about gambling in the lottery: While it is done for "entertainment" purposes, I don't think anyone here could honestly say that they weren't in the least hoping for a winner. That nothing inside them said I hope for a winner. And that is wishing for someone else to lose money so you can gain money. I believe those that are pro-gambling are justifing that little pleasure they get each time they gamble and win a little. Been there done that. Working at a lotto counter I see someone scratch off four tickets and get four losers. Now the odds are 1 in 5 win, so I think, gosh its a sure thing. I bought a ticket on my break- it was a loser. So I bought another one. Loser again. With the odds of 1 in 5 I saw 8 tickets lose back to back. I think God got His point across to me. It is a bad use of money. If I want entertainment, I'd be better off investing my money in a cross word book. Yet I would be even better off investing my time reading my Bible. OH! What a slap in the face it was when people would casually say "I hope you win" at they passed by me on my break. Instead of "Are you a Christian? What do you believe? Why?" (while I was reading my Bible). By gambling I turned into a horrible witness for Christ- the worst kind there is in fact- I was not a witness for Christ that day. And that my brothers and sisters, put me to shame.

    Brother Adam

    Proverbs 1:7
    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

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    When I receive money from others it is at the loss of others.

    Not so. Presumably those others received what they perceive to be fair value in exchange, whether it be the goods and services you offer or a share in your business.
    Where is the fair exchange in a game of chance? When you win a million dollars in the lottery, 999,999 other people lose a dollar and get nothing in return.
    In short: business risk and games of chance are apples and oranges.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I hope this settles that they are not apples and oranges.
     

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