Is God in Heaven presently corporeal.

GIam,

I am going to give you some food for thought on some of your questions/comments and then I am going to move on....

John 4:24 says that God is Spirit.

John 1:18 says that no man has seen God at any time.

Genesis 3:8 says that Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord God in the garden and that they hid themselves from His presence.

Yes. Heaven is a real place.

• There are angelic beings who go back and forth between Heaven and earth. They can assume "forms". Genesis 28:12
• Revelation 4 says that there are 4 special living creatures and 24 elders who are in a constant state of worship before God.
• Jesus is there. Not in his earthly body which required food, sleep, oxygen, medical care....etc., but in His perfect and imperishable resurrection body that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 15. In fact, Paul says in verse 44 of that chapter that there are natural bodies in the flesh and spirit bodies after death. What exactly is a "spirit body"? I don't know. But it isn't the same as the flesh and blood that you and I know now.
• We will have these spirit bodies in Heaven someday according to Paul.

Well, you must listen to what the bible says about Jesus' presence from the beginning.

• Genesis 1:26 says that God said, "Let us make man in our image." So who was he talking to?
• He was talking to the Holy Spirit. Genesis 1:2 says that during the early part of creation that the Holy Spirit was moving over the world.
• He was talking to His Son, Jesus. Jesus was not in a fleshly or natural form and was known as the Word. John chapter 1 says that the Word (Jesus) (1) was God; (2) was with God; (3) was in the beginning with God; (4) created everything; (5) took on a fleshly body during mankind's history.

God is neither. We refer to him as our "Father" and so did Jesus because God is our authority. But God has no physical or emotional gender-specific traits.

God does not time travel. To believe that He does is not to believe that He is omnipresent.

God is not bound by the rules of time the way that humans are because God created time. Genesis 1:14 God's creation cannot rule Him or confine Him. He rules His creation.

Being made in the image of God does not mean being made from a template. God man Man (humanity) in His image (having three essences: In our case - body, soul, and spirit). And male and female did He make "man" (humanity)

Being made in the image of God is not being made "male".

Being male or female did not come from a "template". Being made male or female came from the Creative Genius of Almighty God. God didn't need a pattern to go by.

 

So you are taking "man" here to mean males only. I take it to mean "humanity".

God made Adam from dirt and Eve from a bone. I don't see where that makes Adam in God's image and Eve not.

Yes. And that is evidence to me that the word "man" in the first part of the sentence is talking about humanity and not males only.

Yes, but how does this make women not created in God's image?

I'm not concerned about the order. I understand order.

I'm not concerned about purpose. I understand purpose.

I'm not concerned about inferiority. Despite the fact that the world will tell women that we are inferior and even the church to some degree, I know otherwise. That's not the issue.

I am concerned that you do not believe that women are created in the image of God just like men are. The image of God is not "maleness". The image of God is being spirit-like. God is Triune God. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God is Spirit.

Humanity is a triune creation. Body, soul, and spirit. No other creation is humanity. We are the pinnacle of God's creation.

If women are not created in the image of God, then they, like animals and plants, have no spirit nor soul and cannot be saved.

 

That's just it, webdog. The bible doesn't say that God walked with Adam.

He had a "presence", but that's all it says.

It says this, in Genesis 3:8. "And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God....."

Adam and Eve were walking in the garden in the cool of the day and they heard God's voice and hid from His presence.

 

I don't want to be nit-picky and please tell me if I am, webdog. :saint: :saint:

I believe God is a Spirit, but that doesn't mean God doesn't have a form. It is not a human form, however. I don't know what form God has, but it is very awesome and our minds probably can't handle it.

Moses, in Exodus 33:18-23, asked God to show him His glory, not His body. God said that He would reveal His goodness and proclaim His name.

God said that no one can see God and live, but that He would hide Moses in a rock's cleft, cover him with His hand, and allow His glory to pass by.

He said that He could not face Moses, but had to turn his back to him.

When God mentions his "hand", "face", and "back", I don't necessarily take this to mean that God had a body, perse. But definitely a form. A spirit-form based on what John says in chapter 4.

If Jesus meant this literally, then the only people with the capacity to have seen God are the people who lived in a brief 33-year span of history.

And if He meant this literally, then God has a flesh and blood form. Reading the following passages from John just don't mesh with that idea of God being flesh and blood.

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time..."
Must that not include Moses?

John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is of God; he hath seen the Father."

John 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also; and from hence forth ye know him and have seen him." (I just can't make this to mean that Jesus is talking about "seeing" God's shape or form. It's about knowing Him intimately.)

John 14:8-9 Philip said to Jesus for Him to show them the Father. Jesus said, "Philip, haven't you known me. We've been together for so long. If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. How can you ask Me to show you the Father. Don't you believe that I am in the Father and that the Father is in Me?...." (Again, I don't see where Jesus is talking about His earthly flesh and blood and mortal body being what God's form looks like. I believe He is talking about God's nature and not God's form.)

I'm sorry for being so wordy and nit-picky. I won't do it anymore....today. :saint:

 

Thank you for that clarification.

By-the-by.....you are one of the many preachers here on the BB that I have always wanted to come and hear preach. :applause:

 

I have now! Is that you singing? Whoever it is, is good. It's not easy to sing acapella.

I played "Tempted and Tried" twice and the second time I sat here in my computer chair and sang harmony. :laugh:

I going to listen to some others tomorrow afternoon.