Is God the God of the whole earth ?

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Is God the God of the whole earth, and has always been so, or not

  1. Yes. Always.

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  2. No. Only those to whom He revealed Himself.

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  1. pinoybaptist

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    • Is God the God of the whole earth and has always been the God of the whole earth from the beginning?
      Or is He God only of those who know about Him at this time, and of those to whom He revealed Himself in the past;</font>
    • Is God the judge of all the earth, and therefore of all living in the earth, and has always been so,
      or is He judge only of those where He started to reveal Himself and progressively became the judge of all humankind from then on;</font>
    • Is He Savior from the very beginning of time,
      or did He become Savior only in the New Testament when there was already a gospel to proclaim.</font>
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    [ September 22, 2004, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
     
  2. superdave

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    Hmm, so far we have what can be referred to as a consensus
     
  3. Bible Student

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    What is the point? :confused:
     
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    The point being that if the Bible says He created the whole earth and everything in it, then He is judge of the whole earth, everyone in it that will be at His left side on judgment day, and not judge only of those living where it is recorded in the Bible He revealed Himself.

    The other point is that if He is so Judge, then He is also Savior of the whole earth in the sense that He has people in the whole earth whom He has reserved unto Himself, and not that He has people only where He started to reveal Himself and had Himself recorded.

    There are people in this board who get incensed at the idea that God could possibly be a God of the entire earth and therefore able to save even those who have not known Him as Jehovah during Old Testament times, yet, they would have Him as judge over these same areas, and not Savior.
     
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    The point being that if the Bible says He created the whole earth and everything in it, then He is judge of the whole earth, everyone in it that will be at His left side on judgment day, and not judge only of those living where it is recorded in the Bible He revealed Himself.

    The other point is that if He is so Judge, then He is also Savior of the whole earth in the sense that He has people in the whole earth whom He has reserved unto Himself, and not that He has people only where He started to reveal Himself and had Himself recorded.

    There are people in this board who get incensed at the idea that God could possibly be a God of the entire earth and therefore able to save even those who have not known Him as Jehovah during Old Testament times, yet, they would have Him as judge over these same areas, and not Savior.
    </font>[/QUOTE]You were doing fine until that last "therefore".
    Not reasonable, nor Biblical.
    If they did NOT KNOW HIM, then He does not save them.
    See Mt 7:22-23.
    This teaches there will be some who CLAIM to know Him but do not. He will say I never knew you, depart from me. The implication is clear. If you do NOT know Him then you cannot nor will be saved.
    In His service;
    Jim
     
  6. Dr. Bob

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    pinoy still believes an error and won't let it rest. We have hashed this subject over many times.

    "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
     
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    Then no one prior to Christ's incarnation could be saved?

    Remember, Dr. Bob, 'name' is often a euphemism for character.

    Did Abraham believe? Noah was a preacher of righteousness. Was he saved?

    If you trust God and the Promise of God, before you know the name J E S U S -- who is the Promise of God, are you saved?

    Shall not the Judge of the whole earth do right?
     
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    Helen;
    I must remind you that Noah and Abraham both KNEW God. Granted, God revealed Himself to them by His own choice, but it does not negate the fact that they knew Him.
    It appears that pinoy is saying there are those who do NOT know God yet still will be saved. This is totally contrary to everything Scripture has revealed to us.
    In His service;
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  9. pinoybaptist

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    With all due respects, Dr. Bob. If there are ten thousand gods worshipped by men all over the world and down thru the ages, which they call by different names, and by which they hope to be saved, that will not in anyway change the divine, heavenly declared and attested to, fact that Jesus is the Door and that no man cometh to the Father but by Him.

    Now, when Jesus said no man cometh to the Father but by me, He did not necessarily mean that unless a man knew His Name and His story that man cannot be saved. Would you like to say otherwise ?

    State for the record that, as an openly professed Calvinist and adherent to the Doctrines of Grace, you believe that when God wrote the names of His elect in the Lamb's Book of Life, He chose them only from the areas where He will introduce Himself, only from the descendants of those to whom He will introduce Himself, and then skipped over those souls in Noah's time, and confined His selection only to the middle east, and then expanded later after the cross to include Gentiles.

    I will state for the record that I believe that God is the judge of all the earth, from the North Pole to the South Pole, the two hemispheres and everything in between where man is found, from the 1st day of the 1st century before Christ to the last day of Anno Domini.

    I will also state for the record that He chose and He has His elect wherever man is, from the North Pole to the South Pole, the two hemispheres, and everything and everywhere in between, from Day 1 of the first century before Christ, and to the last day of Anno Domini.

    That all these elect of God were eternally safe in Christ as the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world, and all were finally redeemed at the cross of Calvary, in time, and all their sins atoned for when Christ entered the holy place bearing His own blood.

    The problem with today's gospels, including the Calvinists', is that these gospels have made salvation all about the ability of man to either believe, to obey, or to preach, the gospel.

    Salvation is about the mercy of God on an elect people, and their number, I believe, is far greater than the damned, because the mercy of God is softer than His wrath.
     
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    Granted that in some deep spiritual sense there must be some kind of revealing from God and accepting from human, and in this sense, God must be "known" to them . . .

    It does not necessarily follow that they must realize God came and was incarnated in the flesh as Jesus. This information has plainly not been made available to all the children of Adam and Eve; yet scripture informs us God's spirit has given some light to all men. (John chapter One)

    As Helen pointed out, the Judge of all the Earth will exceed our righteousness, and we will all be amazed and in awe on judgement day when we realize the wisdom, the justice, the mercy, the love that are all made manifest at that time.
     

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