Is Grover Norquist an Islamist?

Like I said: have you read her pathetic book? I have....

 

Okay I got to page three of this nonsense and I HAVE to say something to this.

Read YOUR history? Are you serious? There is no place on US soil where an American HAS to pray.

Prepare yourself for the inevitiable? Jeez, with that kind of attitude, I dont know why you go on living.

Here is a tip for you LE. Before you go spouting off about where 'our' military is, you might want to consider the hundreds of thousands of us stationed right here in good ole, USA. I am not out here defending Pearl Harbor by myself.

Wahabbism was not spread by Saudi Arabia, it was due to conversions of many US military personnel in the first Gulf War. I saw many of my comrades spend a great deal of time reading the Quoran. And they converted then. THAT and our apparently open door policy is how it got over here. Their funding comes from open charity, one of the five tenants of their faith. Many islamist over the WORLD and not just in the middle east give huge amounts of money blindly to "charity". When you are so wrapped up in your plan for salvation and you are checking off the things to do list to get into heaven, you get extremists that are more than happy to cash your check.

Am I prepared to answer your question? Yes Maam. I am ready. Bring it on. Nobody comes over here and tells me, or my kids HOW IT IS GOING TO BE. This includes naysayers and fatalists that start off looking and sounding like Americans.

Thanks.

 

Excuse me, Lady Eagle, if you have posted this information before. I recently heard Paul Sperry on the Michael Medved show talking about his new book called Infiltration which documents how Islamic forces have infiltrated our military and our government. He discusses Norquist in his book:

Then there's GOP operative Grover Norquist, an agent of influence for Islamists in Washington, as I detail in Infiltration and support through several alarming documents posted on sperryfiles.com. Because he's best pals with Karl Rove, he's getting to place bad people in the White House, DHS, the Transportation Department, and other key sensitive agencies in the war on terror. And he and his partner—Palestinian activist and former Alamoudi deputy Khaled Saffuri—are getting the president to legitimize Islam by placing pro-Islam political messages in his speeches. Bush is the first president to mention "mosques" and the "Quran" in inaugural addresses. The stated goal of their Islamic Institute, which got seed money from Alamoudi, is to promote Muslim activists to positions of power.

FP: Why do you suppose Washington's premiere anti-tax lobbyist is suddenly so passionate about lobbying for Islamist interests?

Sperry: He's marrying a Muslim, and when I asked Norquist if he himself has converted to Islam, he brushed the question off as too "personal."

http://www.sperryfiles.com/

 

This country often has a difficult time getting everything ship shape for war. I believe that this new book will make it a political issue. We are constantly distracted by the left and the far right making outrageous claims about the war, etc, such as the thread about Gitmo that worried about isolated incidents concerning prisoners that in WW II would have been long ago executed. We need to be concerned about winning this war no matter what, because if we compromise for a 3rd time in 50 years (Korea & Viet Nam), it will be the end of our military credibility and we will have to fight alone after the next Nine Eleven, which would follow shortly after out capitulation and defeat in Iraq.

People gifted in languages are going to have to study Arabic so that we can understand our enemy.

 

Oh no, not the "Islamisation of America" claim again. I thought for sure you had dropped that arguement. You said that within five years, the US would adopt Islamic Law as part of the Islamisation of America. You said that a little over three years ago, and it's not remotely close to happening.

You really should stop reading the works of Hal Lindsay and Erik von Daniken.

Don't get me wrong, LE, I'm as concerned about Fundamentalist Islamic terrorism permeating the US as you. In fact, I work for a place in Orange County that is a tourist attraction (I won't tell you where out of pricavy, but you've probably already guessed). I'm simply not paranoid about it. Once we start becoming paranoid, then the terrorists have won. I'm not your enemy here. Really.

 

Almost 40.

 

So when does the government give us our prayer rugs, LE?

 

Sperry lays down 10 reasons why the Islamist supporters and facilitators (such as those in the administration) are the perfect enemy.

l. Patience (as Ayman Zawahiri said "We are a patient nation in performing the work, even if it last a long time". The 1998 US Embassy bombing took five years of planning, 9-11 took longer, and America, especially the administration and sadly JW types are back in snooze mode because they haven't hit since 9-11.

2. The language barrier, we have to rely on Arabs and Iranians for translation, ludicrous.

When Arab leaders (secular and religious) speak in English they sing one song, when the speak in Arabic they switch to offense mode.

3. All in the family. They can't be penetrated because they are a mafia, in fact more than the mafia (by the way the word mafia comes from an Arabic word, as does the "protection" racket, seems the citizens of Siciliy learned quite a bit from their Arab Conquerors.

4. Different Calendar... very important, a minor example was the Muslim prophecy posted yesterday that the US would be hit by a TSunami in 2007, which actually is roughly 2629.

5. Alias. Arabs have a very different naming system. A person can be Ali son of Marwan or Ali father of Abdullah.

6. Freedom of religon. Islam alas is considered to be a religion and only a religion, apparently very few in the west have come to terms with the fact that it is an ideology (well all religions are ideologies anyway) but Islam, unlike Judaism and Christianity, is a complete ideology, religious and political, and it is the political nature of that ideology that sets it aside and makes it a fair target, as well as removing it from the protection of religous freedom.

7. Muslims are not easily bribed.

8. Terrorism is tax exempt (a problem we in the US created by granting tax exemption to religions.)

9.Saudi Protection Thank George W. Bush and Baker Botts, Cheney, Exxon, Texaco, Mobil and their commercial ties to the House of Saud and OPEC, (and thanks to the other group of craven politicos in both political parties) who welcome the influx of OPEC and Saudi Money into their campaign funds.

10. The Racism and Bigotry Defense. (Can be dispensed with offhand because Islam is not a race, however the racism card is hard to get rid of because Jews have been playing that card against antisemites and Jews aren't a race either, it is the most disgusting, overused and misused card played - and not I am not a racist, but I am a culturist.

He also lists 10 ways to defeat them

1. Not in my backyard
2. Enforcing loyalty oaths
3. Profile Muslim travelers
4. Audit Muslim charities and mosques
5. Break off official ties with CAIR Attn: President Bush and Karl Rove
6. Expose the Saudi Embassy
7. Deny Security Clearance to Muslim Activists
8. Offer scholarships in Arabic
9. Fight Muslim activism in public schools
10 Step up counterterrorims training at Quantico.

 

I remember it was shortly after I came online (which was just a few months before thee). It stuck out in my mind because I thought it was an astute statement.

I would disagree with that. They have not won with me or thee.

Some will argue that the reason we have less freedom today is because of things like the Patriot Act and other efforts to fight terrorism at home.

That's untrue. That was posted here twice that I remember, and has been likewise rebutted. Sharia law has been allowed to be used in civil arbitration in Canada for those who agree to it. It is similar to New York's alowance of Rabbinnic law in matters of civil arbitration. Rabbinnic Law civil arbitration is heavily used in New York by the Orthodox and Hasidic Jews.

The situation you're referring to is in North Carolina, and it's not what you're claiming. NC is one of the few states that has not updated its laws. The law in NC allows a witnesses preparing to testify in court to take their oath one of three ways:

1 - either by laying a hand over a "Holy Scripture,"
2 - by saying "so help me God" without the use of a religious book,
3 - or by using no religious symbols.

The ACLU's suit is asking that the religious texts of non-Christian faiths be allowed at the discretion of the witness being sworn in. The ACLU is not asking that the language of the oath be changed (you claimed such, but that's false). In fact, the ACLU stated that they feel the language on the court oaths is already broad enough, so they are not asking for that issue to be addressed or clarified.

While I'm no friend of the ACLU, I don't have any problem whatsoever with the action here, not should most Christians.

Not to toot my own horn, but I think in my time on this board I have developed a reputation of maintaining some level of objectivity in most matters.

I think that was the early or mid 70's. I think it's safe to say that Lindsay has sufficiently discredited himself. And ya know what? He's STILL got an active ministry. Go fig....

 

I just don't see us in the old Confederacy being Islamicized.

[ July 29, 2005, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: KenH ]

 

I think that Islam will be Europeanized in the long run because I believe that an American military victory will make the then-isolated Arab League a terrible place to live for those Arabs who are used to the luxury and freedom of Europe. Europe should close their borders to Muslims and the USA should, too.

 

How is America going to be Islamicized, LE? I don't see a "Rush Limbaugh" out there on the radio with 20,000,000 listeners pushing Islam.

 

Sperry says that we have been infiltrated here in the USA. I believe him.

http://www.sperryfiles.com/