is it Heresy to deny doctrine of original/Imputed Sin?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Has the orthodox Church defined deniel of that as being such or not?

    What is Baptist position on that?
     
  2. preachinjesus

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    No

    Go read the Apostles' Creed, that's a good place to start heresy hunts.
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    the logical conclusion of denyting that truth is that we are born innocent, not sinners, and that its up to us to get saved!
     
  4. mont974x4

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    You're right, though you're not likely to get that admitted to by those who believe it.
     
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    How many breaths, seconds, minutes, hours would anyone think a newborn might be before this takes place?

    for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    After he/she is just a little living soul.
     
  6. mont974x4

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    Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. (NASB)

    In Romans 3:22 we are told that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. God does not give us any indication that man is born and becomes a sinner. We sin because we are sinners.

    It is only grace that saves any man, regardless of age.
     
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    And why even preach/witness, and especially do missions, for wouldn't by giving them jesus, that would cause them to wake out of their ignorance and risk getting lost?
     
  8. mont974x4

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    We preach because God tells us to. We preach because we don't know who the elect are but faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of Christ.

    Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
    Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
    Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
    Rom 10:15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" (NASB)


    Some are blind to the truth. They do not have ears to hear or eyes to see. It is not our job to make them see or hear.

    Mat 16:17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. (NASB)



    Pray, preach, and leave the results to God.
     
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    Is it heresy? No, not even close.
    Is the doctrine true? Yes, very much so.
     
  10. Yeshua1

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    i agree with you, was just asking IF one held to their beliefs, why even risk being lost?
     
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    IF one denies that we are dead in sin, imputed from fall of Adam though...

    usn't that ascribing salvation to the basis of us keeping ourselves saved, as born in relationship with God, and don't need jesus unless we choose to be lost, but if so, why would we even repent after choosing to get lost from God any ways?
     
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    I understand.
    I'll wait and see how the free willers and Arminians answer.
     
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    [5]*The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    (Genesis 6:5 ESV)​

    [9]*What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,

    (Romans 3:9 ESV)​

    [12]*Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

    (Romans 5:12 ESV)​

    [21]*For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. [22]*For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
    (1 Corinthians 15:21-22 ESV)​

    Donald K. McKim's Dictionary of Theological Terms defines heresy as, "A view chosen instead of the official teachings of a church. Such a view is thus regarded as wrong and potentially dangerous for faith." The doctrine of original sin was first articulated by the post-Apostolic father, Irenaeus in the late 2nd Century. As with many points of doctrine of that time it was not addressed earlier because there were more pressing matters church leaders had to deal with, namely the assault on the nature and person of Jesus Himself. As Gnosticism gained traction in the 2nd Century, the need to address it's attacks on orthodoxy became necessary. It is true that the most detailed polemic on original sin was put forth by Augustine of Hippo, but the doctrine did not originate with him. The fact that the infant church of Rome accepted the doctrine does not make it a Roman doctrine, no more than their belief in the Trinity or the virgin birth make them Roman doctrines.

    If man is not born in a state of sin then he is born in the original state of Adam; he is born posse peccare, posse non peccare (able to sin and able not to sin). From creation until now, Adam is the only human being created that possessed that ability. Since Adam every human being is born non posse non peccare (not able not to sin). Man is not in this predicament not only because he sinned, but because he is born into sin. Pelagius taught that man is born tabula rasa (blank slate), and is not endued with original sin. To a lesser extent semi-Pelagianism mimics this belief. Is the denial of original sin heresy? Most certainly. It leaves open the window (however small) that man can achieve righteousness without Christ, and, therefore, make Christ's sacrifice of no effect - in vain.
     
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    Exactly, Herald. The doctrine of sin, especially how all men are born sinners, is a necessary doctrine. Apart from it there is no reason for Christ to be born of a virgin.
     
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    So should not Christ have came to undo the effects of the first adam?
    through Adam all die--through Christ shall all be made alive.
    Jesus came to seek and save THAT which was lost---what was lost?all of mankind through adam? if God can condemn mankind through 1 man--Can God also make righteous mankind through 1 man?Did not the man with 100 sheep lose 1 and leave the 99 that needed no help?if the man lost 70 of 100 he would have gone and gathered the 70 and brought them back?Why would Christ lower his standards to just a few?Oh the Glory that most are missing because of false assumptions and no knowledge!!!Christ went and bought back ALL that was LOST through 1 man adam.
     
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    Yes, Christ came to save the lost. The doctrine of original sin, and total depravity, teaches that sin entered the world through Adam and all mankind is born sinners and slave to it.

    If we deny this, then we must assume men are either born good or born as clean slates, as Herald reminded us some do teach. This cheapens the work of Christ. Many assume that there is at least enough good in men to choose to accept Christ. If that is true, then Christ could come, but would not need to be born of a virgin. All in all to deny the doctrines of sin makes more of men than we ought and makes less of Christ than He deserves.
     
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    Most all errors have to do with a wrong view of God,and a wrong view of sin and the fall.
     
  18. mont974x4

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    Icon I think you're right. These are foundational issues that have far reaching impact.
     
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    Hardly. Non sequitur and straw man meshed together.
     
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    Agreed. There should be a "Like" button on this forum. :)
     

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