Is It Right...

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  1. ktn4eg

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    Is it right for a pastor to consider himself to be "God's Anointed" in the same sense that David considered King Saul to be God's anointed (i.e., "You'd better not touch 'God's Anointed'!")?
     
  2. Amy.G

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    No. He is a man just like everyone else. He has been given the gift of pastor in the same manner someone else is given the gift of evangelism or helps or teaching. The church does not belong to the pastor. It belongs to Christ and HE is the head, not the pastor.
     
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    I have heard that from some "charismatic" types when I criticized the Kenneth Copeland type.
     
  4. Yeshua1

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    that would be because that ministry is under Antichrist, not the Spirit of Christ, and they, and many other ministries in charasmatic circles see the "5 fold ministries" as being essentially modern day prophets/Apostles "touch not Lords Annoited!"
     
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    In IFB circles, more than one preacher has used this example.

    The late Jack Hyles and his clones used it and still use it to cover up huge and disgusting sinful behavior of them self and others of certain influence.

    Certain of his type (think Frank Norris background) use it as a club of manipulation and control.


    One of the reasons why I think Baptist churches need a group of Elders in which the pastor is NOT consider an elder, but the pastor.
     
  6. Scarlett O.

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    While David did not "touch" Saul, but he most definitely rebuked him publicly. Saul was wrong - dead wrong in his rebellion against God and David let him know it.



    I Samuel 24 :12-13 - "I'll let the LORD decide which one of us has done right. I pray that the LORD will punish you for what you're doing to me, but I won't do anything to you. An old proverb says, 'Only evil people do evil things,' and so I won't harm you."



    Preachers are anointed with the Holy Spirit upon their salvation experience, but so is every other Christian anointed with that exact same unction.


    In context, the "anointed" is not the modern day pastor or preacher. The "anointed" of "touch not mine anointed" is the nation of Israel. God was commanding the enemies of Israel not to harm His people.

    Psalm 105:7-15 (New King James)


    7 He is the LORD our God;
    His judgments are in all the earth.
    8 He remembers His covenant forever,
    The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
    9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
    And His oath to Isaac,
    10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
    To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
    11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
    As the allotment of your inheritance,”
    12 When they were few in number,
    Indeed very few, and strangers in it.



    13 When they went from one nation to another,
    From one kingdom to another people,
    14 He permitted no one to do them wrong;
    Yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes,
    15 Saying, “Do not touch My anointed ones,
    And do My prophets no harm.”





    God was chastising foreign nations and warning them to leave His people alone. That's it. That's all.

    Here are three really good, and I mean REALLY good studies on what "touch not my anointed" means and what it doesn't mean.
    http://www.letusreason.org/Pent47.htm
    http://www.helium.com/items/616104-...-mine-anointed-examining-a-misunderstood-text
    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_anointing.html
     
  7. preachinjesus

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    Only if he has an inferiority complex...or he is trying to do something that requires mindless simpletons and not discerning believers.

    That said, if a pastor is truly doing the work of the ministry, he will bring around him accountability mechanisms (and people) who will keep him honest. When a pastor starts removing the thinking people who will patiently strive for authenticity, replacing them with simple "yes" men and women, you should be concerned.

    The ministry is a great place for authentic people who seek God's glory above all things, particularly at the sacrifice of our inner wills and desires. It is also a terrible place for pompous self-promoters to push an agenda and corrupt the Gospel.

    I've seen both. The former builds upon the foundation of Christ, the latter is a pox and destroys any chance of longevity.
     
  8. Jerome

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    Also a big problem in 'Reformed Baptist' circles:

    Article by John Reisinger:

     
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    Excellent notes on the context and meaning of this phrase!

    The moral of the story: You are allowed to rebuke and correct the Lord's anointed...Just dont' Kill him!
     
  10. Don

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    Let's not forget that Moses was guilty of murder. Or the old prophet and the young man of God in 1 Kings 13. As Scarlett pointed out, David rebuked Saul. David, a man after God's own heart, was guilty of adultery and murder. Paul stood by and cheered on the men who stoned Stephen.

    Did any of these "get away" with their atrocities? Or were able to hide behind "touch not God's anointed"? Nope; each had to deal with it in some fashion.

    "Touch not" is merely an attempt to hide behind scripture, an attempt to use scripture to justify their iniquity.
     
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  12. Alive in Christ

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    Well, a several posts above this one was the idea of the Pastor having an "acountability partner" or two, for the purpose of keeping him in line.

    Some churchs actually want all the members hook up in pairs and keep each other "acountable"

    I have never done anything like that and never will.

    The material I am posting will speak better then I could. Obviously I agree with it.

    This is an excerpt, with a link to the entire artical....


    http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/accountable2.htm
     
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