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Is KJV superior to all other translations?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Logos1560, Dec 10, 2006.

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  1. Bro. James

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    Is JKV superior to all other translations

    In this age of preciseness: Do we need to specify which edition of KJV? There are several, they are not all the same.:thumbs: :thumbsup:

    Choose wisely,

    Bro. James
     
    #21 Bro. James, Dec 12, 2006
  2. Logos1560

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    The point of this thread is not to claim that any other English translation is superior at every rendering of every verse to the KJV. The KJV may have better renderings than some other English translations in many verses.

    The point of this thread was not even to dispute with those who think the KJV may be or is superior overall to all other English translations. It would take a great deal of evidence to prove that opinion true. There may be valid reasons for having a preference to use only the KJV.

    Instead, one point of this thread is that the KJV is not superior at every rendering of every verse to all other English translations. In at least some verses, another English translation has a clearer, better, more accurate, and thus superior rendering to that in the KJV.

    If holders of a KJV-only view could admit the valid point of that last statement, perhaps it would be a good beginning place for discussing the Bible translation issue.
     
    #22 Logos1560, Dec 12, 2006
  3. Plain Old Bill

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    I've read all three pages of this thread. I don't think your are golng to get a valid discussion going.

    But there is another question that need to be answered.Do we have to start addressing MCDirestor as your genuiseness?
     
    #23 Plain Old Bill, Dec 12, 2006
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    Plain Old Bill: //I've read all three pages of this thread.
    I don't think your are golng to get a valid discussion going.//

    Uh, er -- isn't three pages a discussion going already?

    Plain Old Bill: //But there is another question that need
    to be answered.Do we have to start addressing MCDirestor as your genuiseness?//

    If all else fails consult the Scriptures:

    1 Timothy 5:1-2 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Rebuke not an Elder, but intreate him
    as a father, and the yonger men as brethren:
    2 The elder women as mothers,
    the yonger as sisters with all puritie.

    I guess McDirector will become 'Sis'
     
    #24 Ed Edwards, Dec 12, 2006
  5. Plain Old Bill

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    O.K. then ,:tonofbricks: :tonofbricks: are we now to address MCDirector as genuiesnessis?
     
    #25 Plain Old Bill, Dec 13, 2006
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    I don't intend to be contrary but it seems to me that if the KJV folks were to admit your point it would end the discussion.

    A.F.
     
    #26 AntennaFarmer, Dec 13, 2006
  7. Truth_Sayer

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    I haven't found another English translation that even comes close. Is it not add that those who believe there is an infallible copy of God's word in the English language on planet Earth unanamously say it is in the KJV? Strange also how churches that accept sins such as homosexuality NEVER touch the KJV. Something about that book! :love2:
     
    #27 Truth_Sayer, Dec 13, 2006
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    HA! You guys! I'm glad I didn't slip over and read this during class. The kids would never understand why I was laughing!

    Humbly submitted,
    Sister Bitsy
    (or Mother Bitsy depending on yer age)
     
    #28 mcdirector, Dec 13, 2006
  9. Jack Matthews

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    The advances in Biblical language study, the discovery of earlier manuscript evidence, and the technical aspects of the change of meaning of words in the English language make modern translations, particularly those which aim for textual accuracy and maintaining the syntax of the manuscript as closely as possible, far more accurate and practical than the King James Version.
     
    #29 Jack Matthews, Dec 13, 2006
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    "Well Logos1560,there must be somthing about the (insert any translation) for you (kjv only people) to devote SO MUCH time picking it apart."
     
    #30 underscoretim, Dec 13, 2006
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    The KJV is superior to all modern versions because we see why this KJV is STILL alive since almost 400 years. The Bible teaches that God's Words are God's CERTAINITY. The KJV superiority is the CERTAINITY of His Words.
     
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    CERTAINITY??? :laugh:

    Rob-ity
     
    #32 Deacon, Dec 13, 2006
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    This could be fun-ity since I've been reteaching the line and and lost all since of real-ity with algebra-ity. (or apparently my sense-ity) :tongue3:
     
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    God's words were a certainty to the original writers, readers and hearers of God's word. However, since there is no way to translate with 100% accuracy and retain understandability, then it is impossible for any English version to be 100% accurate - and this includes the various editions of the KJV. The KJV is not superior to all modrn versions because some words have changed meanings since the KJV was translated - therefore newer and fresher versions are needed to maintain the sense of what the Scripturesw originally said. The KJV may have almost perfectly fit that bill 400 yers ago, but it is lacking in some areas today.
     
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    Your statement does not demonstrate that the KJV is superior in every rendering of every verse to all other English translations. The point of this thread does not concern any claim of whether the KJV may be superior overall, but only whether it is superior in every rendering of every verse. Are you claiming complete superiority at every verse for the KJV?

    Your claim seems to be similar to the claim that Roman Catholics made for the Latin Vulgate. In the preface to the 1582 Rheims New Testament, the first reason given for its use of the Latin Vulgate was that "it is most ancient." Gregory Martin, one of the Roman Catholic translators of the Rheims, asked Protestants: "Will you be tried by the vulgar ancient Latin bible, only used in all the west church above a thousand years?" (Fulke, A Defense, pp. 77-78). Thomas A. Nelson claimed that “the Latin Vulgate Bible was used universally in the Catholic Church (Latin Rite) for over 1500 years” (Which Bible, p. 97).

     
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    The people who have chosen KJV as their Bible will not regret about their choice when they stand in front of God on the Great Day of Judgment, while so many so-called intelligent Doctors, Pastors who criticize KJV by eloquent logic and profound knowledge, will be speechless and ashamed!

    When I talk with Anti-KJV people I have often found they don't know much about the Bible! They don't care about the difference!

    God loves KJV and the people who love KJV!
     
    #36 Eliyahu, Dec 13, 2006
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    This leaves me speechless. I'm off to bed.
     
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    Well, Bitsy, it doesn't leave me speechless..

    God loves the NIV and the people that use the NIV.
    God loves the NASB and the people that use the NASB.
    God loves the NLT and the people that use the NLT.
    God loves the NKJV and the people that use the NKJV.
    God loves the HCSB and the people that use the HCSB.
    God loves the ESV and the people that use the ESV.
    God loves the NET and the people that use the NET.
    God loves the CEV and the people that use the CEV.

    Not to mention (or in this case, clarify) 1611kjv, 1762 KJV, 1769 KJV, 1873 KJV, 2000 KJV... or any of the other revisions of the KJV.

    I know I probably missed a few, but you get the idea!
    To say that God only loves those that use the KJV.. leaves out Paul, Peter, John and .... JESUS!!!
    Jesus didn't even use the OT text the KJV uses!!!
     
    #38 tinytim, Dec 13, 2006
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    Ed skillfully avoids the 'G' word [ 'granny' for you dirty minded folks ] :saint:
     
    #39 Ed Edwards, Dec 13, 2006
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    IMHO the KJV1611 Edition is superior to the KJV1769 Edition.
    IMHO the KJV1873 Edition is superior to the KJV1611 Edition.
    IMO the HCSB = Christian Standard Bible / Holman, 2003 /,
    is superior to the KJV1873 edition, especially here in
    the 21st century (2001-2100).
     
    #40 Ed Edwards, Dec 13, 2006
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