Is Obama aMarxist?

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  1. Revmitchell

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    It is a legitimate question to ask "Is Obama a Marxist?" While Obama will not come out and say he is a Marxist we know that the extreme left are willing to hide their underlying intentions and ideology so as not to draw immediate scrutiny of their position. Karl Marx himself said that socialism was the step toward communism. Hitler did not make his intentions known up front.

    We must be careful of who we put in public office:

    "The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men." --Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren November 4, 1775

    This country was founded on personal liberty and capitalism and now it is being destroyed. By both those who claim to be conservative and hold to founding principles but who are willing to capitulate in order to be bi-partisan and by those who have suffered from socialistic indoctrination in our schools.

    We will look at three areas, Obama's statements, his associations, and his policies. First looking at his statements:

    "As radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that." ~ Barack Obama

    He has a political agenda to bring about "redistributed change". Karl Marx taught this very idea as the basis for his ideology:

    "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" ~ Karl Marx

    So we see that the underlying ideology of Barack Obama is without doubt founded on Marxist principles. He was even bold enough to admit this philosophy when he spoke to Joe the Plumber during the campaign.

    During his campaign at a press conference in 2008 in Jacksonville Fl he said he wanted to tax the profits of oil companies in order to pay for the mythical tax cuts he wanted to give to the middle class.

    Moving on during the same campaign Obama said “It’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Where did Obama get this philosophy from? One only need to look to Karl Marx once again. In the introduction of “Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right” Marx asserts “Religious suffering is at the same time an expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of a soulless condition. It is the opium of the people.”

    So we see, through his statements, that Obama has an underlying Marxist philosophy that he wants to implement in his politics.
     
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    His associations:



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    Now who is picture in the flag draped down the wall behind an Obama campaign worker? Why it is the Marxist Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara who said:

    “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary…These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall! (El Paredón)”

    Did Obama know his campaign workers supported this? Most certainly after it hit the news.


    And while Obama claimed his mother was a Christian the truth is anything but what he has said. " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report"

    Obama's mentor as a teen was Frank Marshall Davis a self proclaimed Marxist. In his book "Dreams of my Father" Obama refers to him often.

    Obama spent 20 years with marxist and racist Jeremiah Wright as his personal advisor who was like an uncle to him.

    One of Obama's current economic advisors is Robert Polin a Marxist who recently said in a newspaper column (La Opinión in A Coruña) in Spain "…you can learn more reading Marx than reading 95% of the current economists.

    John Holdren Obama's science Czar s Professor of Environmental Policy at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government, sees capitalism as a threat, dreams of eco-disasters, and opposed President Reagan’s military buildup (that defeated the Soviet Union).

    Obama appointed Van Jones as the Green Jobs Czar who is a communist and environmental extremist.
     
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    Obama is systematically destroying the economy with excessive and unsustainable debt in order to destroy the economy and replace it with government control.


    While Obama insists that a government control of healthcare is necessary to reduce costs what we do know from 200 years of history is that government never makes things run more efficient or reduces cost. And in fact the CBO disputes his claim that his policy would do that.

    Obama recently put his support behind Mel Zelaya who was peacefully thrown out of government and is a Marxist.

    A commentary recently published in a Russian newspaper herald America's descent into Marxism citing for example the recent take over of the auto industry.

    Obama and his Marxist buddy Rahm Emmanuel is taking his cues also form Saul Alinsky who said " A crisis is a good thing".

    Obama supports the leaving of infants who were marked for death via abortion but survived in the linen closet uintil they die.

    Obama supports the unlimted slaughter of unborn children.

    Obama supports the horrific partial birth abortion where by the child is delivered all but the head and a sharp object is rammed into the head at the base of the skull so that the brains can be vacumed out there by murdering the child.

    This is all part of the Marxist population control.

    And no Christian should support this man ever. It is shameful to do so.
     
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    I thought that we were basically hashing this one out here? I for one have given my answer on that thread to your OP question.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with asking the question "is Obama a Marxist". I'm not particularly concerned about people viewing Obama as a Marxist. What concerns me, though, is those peoples' view of others who don't agree with their view of Obama.
     
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    Why does that concern you so much? It seems your overriding concern on every topic on this board is that people don't "judge." Jesus never said not to judge, He said not to judge hypocritically. Besides, do you ever stop to think that you also are "judging" others when you call them unrighteous, etc. in their "judging"? Cuts both ways.
     
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    If Obama were not a Marxist does anyone think the major media would be supporting him without question?
     
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    What is Jesus teaching us in the story of the rich young ruler?
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    Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
    Luk 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. Luk 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. Luk 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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    Of course, we should give to the poor because of our Christian beliefs. However, to continually say that it is wrong to support the poor is directly opposite to the true gospel.
     
  9. Tom Bryant

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    No one is saying don't give to the poor. We are saying that it is wrong for the gov't to take our money, take a cut from it and then give it away.

    I'd rather give directly than give through a clearing house that uses it for their own purpose and then only gives pennies on a dollar to the poor.
     
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    So, alatide, have you sold everything that you own and given it to the poor?

    Why not?
     
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    No. I'm on the right road but I still have a ways to go. Do you generally follow the example provided by Jesus or do you ridicule those who try to follow Him?
     
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    By "ridicule" are you referring to your unfair and untrue characterization of others when you say "to continually say that it is wrong to support the poor is directly opposite to the true gospel."?

    No one here has said anything even remotely like that.

    To compound your offense you then proceed to judge others against a standard which you admit that you yourself are not living.
     
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    i asked you a simple question. You dodged it. You might want to ask yourself why.
     
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    No, I do not ridicule those who try to follow Jesus.

    Do you believe that you are following Jesus when you publish false and slanderous allegations against other Christians here on this board?
     
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    :rolleyes::rolleyes: No, I try to do both. Follow Jesus AND make ridicule people who tell me I have to live up to a certain standard and then not live up to it themselves.
     
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    That's exactly my concern. The avoidance of unrighteous judgement, not judgement itself. What commonly happens on this board is Person A saying So-and-So is a marxist, and if Person B says they disagree, then a common reaction from Person A is that Person B is a liberal, marxist, not a bible believer, or a whole list of other such comments. Likewise, we have instances of Person C saying So-and-So is a hero, and if Person D says they disagree, then a common reaction from Person C is that Person C is a right-winger, elitist, or a whole other list of other such comments.

    What ever happenned to civil discussion and disagreement, simply allowing a person to disagree, and respecting the person regardless.
     
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    What a profoundly stunning display of ignorance regarding the story of the rich young ruler.

    You can't see the difference between individual Christian charity and government confiscation?

    Well...then there's not much left to say.
     
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    Of course this has been claimed on this board. Some deride it as the "social gospel."
     
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    I'm not telling you about any ridiculous standard. Jesus did in the Bible. Do you accept the Bible as the word of God?
     
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    Interesting that you would call it a "ridiculous standard". I just said that I was ridiculing you and your misunderstanding of a conversation Jesus had with one person.

    Again, my argument is certainly not with Jesus nor with the Word of God. My debate is with your own admitted failure to live up to a standard you tell us has to be obeyed.

    I would disagree that God calls everyone to sell what they have and give it to the poor. They didn't do it in the early church. Paul never commanded it. James never commanded it. Peter never commanded it. The command of Jesus was to a certain young man who was entirely consumed by possessions. He had said that he had obeyed all of them Jesus knowing that the young man was covetous told him to get rid of it all and follow him. Jesus didn't tell other rich men - Nicodemus and the tax collector - to do that.
     

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