This is not a thread on Calvinism per se. This is an interpretive issue on whether or not this passage addresses individual election or national (or corporate) election. This will not turn into a debate on Calvinism. That is not the point and this thread will not be hijacked. What do you believe and why? I will go ahead and reveal my position. I believe it is national (or corporate) election. I do believe in individual election (just not from this text).