Is sin a disease?

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  1. thjplgvp

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    While reading the web site of a new member he stated on his site that "sin is a disease" and though I understand from a techinical point that sin does impair us and that active sin causes one to live an abnormal Christian life I disagree that sin is a disease.

    Theologically I have held to the theory of traducianism meaning that the soul and our sin nature come from our parents particularly the father.

    Your thoughts please

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    For what it's worth, I see a case can be made, if we sinners are the disease. If sin is a disease, then we are the disease, for we are the sinners. Since we are the disease, there is not one thing we can do about it. But sin is separation from God, and the result is we sinners have a disease; a disease made curable only by the "great physician". If we go to Him in faith then we can be cured of sin, which contained the disease. If we don't the disease (sin) remains.


    Personally I choose "creationism" for without it traducianism could not exist. Sin began by 1 man (He called their name Adam), and it is one man that ends it. True to get to the second Adam "traducianism" is necessary, but only God can create man, and kill sin.
     
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    ituttut said, "Personally I choose "creationism" for without it traducianism could not exist. Sin began by 1 man (He called their name Adam), and it is one man that ends it. True to get to the second Adam "traducianism" is necessary, but only God can create man, and kill sin."

    I totally agree. The idea that sin is a disease would indicate that it is catchable or perhaps a social disorder or the result of societal disorder. And not the result of fallen parents under the curse of God. (Rom. 5:12)

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    Sin IS NOT a disease, it is a choice. It is a choice we choose to make each adn every day, in one form or another.

    A disease is something that someone catches, sin is what one does.

    Using "sin as a disease", no one can be condemned by God because there is no guilt... no one chose to sin, everyone just caught it. Besides, if sin were mearly a disease, there would be some who never catch it... and how could God be God if He were forced to let someone into heaven just because they never caught a cold?
     
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    Because I believe it was my site that started this thread...(not completely sure)...

    I called sin a disease simple because it "infects" everyone on earth...yes sin is a choice...but everyone fails to make the right choice everyday...

    there was only one perfect man and that was Jesus...sinless and pure.

    By stating that sin is a "disease" i did not intend to imply that we are not accountable for our sins...we are accountable because the Word says we are. And yes sin is what we do...but I'm not talking about individual sins...im talking about sin as a whole...

    Being the one that wrote that sermon...I feel perhaps that my point was misinterpreted...

    View that sermon here: 'The Need for Repentance'
     
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    Trib,

    It was your site that I read it on and I believe I understood your analogy. It is just that nearly every sin under the Son has been turned into a disease in recent years and I just thought it would make for a good question. I am kinda tired of the c-a debates and thought I would interject a different question.

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    Oh yah..it does make for a good debate...im not against it at all...

    I just wanted to get my 2 cents in...lol

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    We actually have the power at our disposal to never sin again. We have God'sWord, the Holy Spirit inside us, Access to the throne of grace, an advocate to the Father, etc.

    While we have the power, no one other than Jesus has accomplished it. I believe sin to be a curse not a disease. Disease negates our responsibility. Kinda like alcoholisim now classified as a disease. It is sin, which is a curse. Close though huh?:tonofbricks:
     
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    Wow, that is the same thing Oral Roberts says - We have the potential to never sin again. And if we follow close enough to God we never will either.

    Unfortunately, we have that old man (sin nature) still within us.

    WHich I guess is the reason scripture states (speaking to believers)

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    But I do agree, Sin is a curse and not a disease.
     
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    Exactly!...none of us can just "stop" sinning...it is not within our power...

    we can seek the Holy Spirit to help us "decrease" our sinning...but we cannot just quit...if that were the case, there would be no need for repentance...

    not only that, if we could just stop sinning and become perfect...then what did Jesus die for?...

    Jesus Christ died for our sins and He will continue to work in the hearts of sinners, (us) until He comes back to receive us to Himself...

    Praise the Lord!
     
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    Amen! We are still in these sinful bodies, yet we are no longer under the curse of the law for we are dead to the law, thus dead to sin.

    Do you pray your sins will be forgiven? Or have they already been forgiven?
     
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    "Do you pray your sins will be forgiven? Or have they already been forgiven?"

    1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

    Who was John writing to in this passage? The saved or the unsaved?

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    Since the bible can only be understood by the saved, I believe He was talking to saved people. Our sins are forgiven and Christ died for the sin of the world. Past, present and future. But when we sin now God still wants us to fess up. We can never remember or even know every sin committed. He just wants us to aknowledge them and ask forgiveness. When someone gives you a gift, you don't flippantly grab it. You are thankful and if you need more you don't just assume it is comming. You politely ask.
     
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    This will be in two parts.

    My I ask if you know to whom John writes?

    I know who my Apostle is, and I listen to My Apostle for from heaven Christ revealed to Him His (God's) dispensational gospel for we today. Galatians 2:1-9, "Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
    2. And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
    3. But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
    4. And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
    5. To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
    6. But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
    7. But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
    8. (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
    9. And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto theheathen, and they unto thecircumcision."

    I must ask the question why is John talking to me who am not of the gospel of the circumcision? John is talking to those of the "Kingdom Church"? Paul talks to those of the "Body Church". Jesus says His earthly Apostles have their own "Kingdom". Didn't John preach the gospel of the John the Baptist to the nation Israel of "Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"? This is that other gospel (Galatians 1:6-7), the gospel of the "circumcised" which the Apostles shook hands in a binding agreement not to preach their gospel to those justified through faith (Galatians 2 quoted above).

    Isn't our gospel from Christ in heaven, in this dispensation of "..if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation", Romans 10:9-10. This is through faith salvation for all today, and not by salvation of the "circumcised" that made covenant with God, which they broke with Him, and must now "repent of their sins".

    I could never say I have not sinned for I went with my sins (back there, now, and those ahead) to the Cross, confessing the name of my Lord Jesus Christ for my salvation. Yes I have sins, but my sins have been forgiven according to Ephesians 1:7.

    But you ask a question I have not answered. Please find that answer in Part 2 post below, and it is really not all that different other than we today do not have to do a work of any kind, viz. "repent and be water baptized for the remission of our sins".
     
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    Part 2 of 1 above.

    Verse 8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" is written to the unsaved for they say they have no sin.

    Verse 9, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" is written to the saved of "circumcision" faith.

    Verse 10, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us" we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.

    Has anyone here said they have no sin, or have not sinned?
     
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    Confessing your sin isn't about salvation but relational.

    We will (in these fleshly bodies) go against Gods desired way, but we are to confess/admit our actions that we know (via conviction) went contrary to God and His way.

    It is no different that if my child breaks the rules. He is not cast out, but our relationship has been damaged and we can not walk in open fellowship until that instance is ackowledged and resolved.
     
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    We confess His name when we turn (repent) to Him, believing the power to save and our sins are forgiven. We are now in the "Body Church", having a relationship with Him. Agree we are to do His will, and not ours.
     
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    Okaaaaaay... So are you trying to say this verse is refering to a person 'seeking' salvation, rather than to people who are ALREADY beleivers?
     
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    Not quite. This is our salvation when we repent (turn to Him), for it is in Him where we find our sins are no more for He took them upon Himself at the Cross. He didn't leave any lying around, for His one sacrifice is more than adequate, and He has no plans for an encore. When we are affirmative in our answer of believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation, we have confessed His name unto salvation - Romans 10:9.

    He is now seated beside His Father in heaven. Those in the Body Church have been "circumcised", and "baptized" without hands, therefore being sealed in by the Holy Spirit, I would call that a "saved sinner", not one seeking. If this is not the pattern, then one is still searching for the "Body Church".
     

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