Is speaking in tounges...

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  1. Salty

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    We believe that tounges ended by the end of the first century.

    Therefore, if a church pratices tounges, would you say that church is sinning?
     
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    It appears you already have your mind made up.
     
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    amen to that gb...
     
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    Not all of us believe that.

    I know of a SBC preacher who says that he speaks in tongues...

    The church that pratices speaking in tongues is not sinning, because the only way that a church can practice it is to be lead of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit will NEVER lead us to commit sin..........

    But, if a church that bables and calls that babaling speaking in tongues even though it is NOT, then I believe that person in that church is sinning..........
     
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    If people really knew the truth they might be surprised at how many do.
     
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    And yet Paul lays ground rules for the church in Corinth regarding speaking in tongues. I find it interesting that those folks who say it is a Holy Spirit thing never consider why Paul would have to straighten out a work of the Holy Ghost.
     
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    Where does the Bible state that the gift of tongues, a sovereign gift of God through the Holy Spirit, will end at the end of the first century, but other spiritual gifts, also sovereign gifts of God, will not?

    Saying that tongues ended at the end of the first century is going beyond what the Bible says.
     
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    Not sinning, as long as there is an interpretation. Just indulging in a vast amount of wishful thinking.

    D.
     
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    Everybody in our church understands English---so therefore, there is no need of the gift.
     
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    Why would an Almighty Sovereign God need someone to speak in another language to an audience, then have someone to interpret it back into the language that the audience speaks? Makes no sense.
     
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    Like the frog said, sitting on the lily pad in the pond, when the fisherman, waiting for the fish to start biting, opened a couple of books to pass some time:, "Read it! Read it!"

    Good concise summary in those three posts, GordonSlocum.

    I'd add, "...tongues shall cease..." is in the 'middle voice', hence reflexive in the Greek. They 'shall cease' or (have as I believe), of their own accord, not because of some outside 'chopping off', unlike the 'ending' of the gifts of prophecy and knowledge, which are accomplished in the 'active voice'.

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    Good point, and Paul makes the same one, I think.

    Ed
     
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    I think the same thing, Salty, but can and would not be 'dogmatic' on it, for Scripture is not.

    Ed
     
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    I might be more agreeable to them speaking in tounges if it were done biblically. And I don't see the Holy Spirit leading anyone to be unbiblical in any way.

    christians are not the only ones with a past of speaking in tounges.



    http://www.meta-religion.com/Linguistics/Glossolalia/history_of_glossolalia.htm


    http://www.speaking-in-tongues.org/
     
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    Perhaps what 'speaking in tongues' IS needs to be defined first? From what I can see biblically, there are about four different things which fall under that label?

    1. The language of angels.
    2. A private way of praying which is probably not in words but rather in feelings, groanings, joy, -- emotions which the person praying really cannot put into words but which God understands.
    3. The miraculous speaking in another language one has never studied.
    4. The ability to learn a variety of different languages easily, but normally.

    I don't see that any of these has stopped! We certainly cannot figure the language of angels has stopped. And, at least speaking for myself, I know that there are times of prayer when all I can do is open up a great pain or joy or fear or celebration to God without the words to go with it. As for #3, can we tell Him we disallow miracles? Hardly...

    And yes, there most certainly ARE people who can learn a number of languages fairly easily and quickly. I for sure am NOT one of them! I took five years of French in school and remember one or two sentences!

    So what is it that people are referring to here? Maybe just the abuse of the term which accompanies the pentacostal movements which figure you are not saved if you cannot babble away? Babbling has never been a biblical thing...
     
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    I think definition means a whole lot to this discussion Helen. when most modern pentecostal churches are doing is not biblical tongues, and yet we get our definition for tongues from them.
     
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    Right you are, DonnA!! Many charismatic people I know use their so called "gift" as a sign of spirituality

    But the true sign of spirituality is not the ability to speak in another "tongue" but the ability to control the tongue you have!! A quick examination of James' Epistle will prove my point!! Such a small rudder comes with the ability to point a 100,000 ton oil super tanker in any direction it chooses!! Such a small flame from the match stick----but with the ability to start an inferno!!
     
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    I would disagree that there is a Holy Ghost gift that enables men to speak in the tongue of angels. The reference Paul made to th "tongues of angels" was hyperbole not intended to be literal.

    There is to senses in which tongues were use in scripture as Paul addressed them and only two. First, was the Holy Ghost gift in which God has enabled man to speak in a tongue they never learned to preach the gospel to someone who needs it. It is also quite posible that this gift is not given to the speaker but to the hearer, meaning that while the man who is preaching the gospel is speaking in his own tongue the hearer is filled with the Holy Ghost and can hear the gospel in his oen tongue. Either way this gift of God is a sign gift and is not intended for the believer but for the unbeliever only. 1 Cor 14:22


    The other use of tongues is the one that Paul lays down ground rules for. It is not posible that Paul could lay down ground rules for a gift that God gives by means of overpower by the Holy Ghost. Such a gift woud be perfect and incorruptable. Since most men of the time had the greek language in common but had diverse native tongues it was not uncommon for one to stand up in church and give a testimony in their native tongue. When this occurred only those in the crowd who understood that tongue could of course understand. So Paul said do not do it unless someoen interrpet it.

    I find no basis for a prayer language. Nor do I see a need for it. No gift of God is self serving. They are always to glorify God.
     
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    YES! The charismatics I've seen use toungues don't get it, it isn't to glorify themselves, but God. I guess that gets lost in the translation.
     

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