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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by webdog, Dec 30, 2008.
Interesting video and view. Thoughts?
I know it was found in the Toronto Star, a daily newspaper!
And I kow a lot of Canadians dropped what they were doing and went to NY to help; firemen, police, ambulance people, nurses and doctors, common labours,,,,,,,,,neighbours to the north.
From an Arab proverb to the Bible for support?
The music was one of my favorites. But NO 9/11 was not included in Bible prophecy. Unfortunately, and sadly, most people in this country have forgotten all about 9/11.
Forgotten? Not when Americans come to Canada. Certainly not when we try to cross the border into the USA. We are reminded all the time..Maybe it is our proximity to NYC.
Webdog, I mean no disrespect to your thread, but this is utter nonsense to me.
I'm not even watching the video because the idea is so crazy (no offense).
It sounds like something the Crouchs on TBN would promote.
Hal Lindsey (The Late Great Planet Earth) ought to be able to tell us.
Good point Tom! No doubt he could!:smilewinkgrin:
Just check with Jeremiah Wright, he knows why God passed judgment on America. :laugh:
Why do you say this?
I think the Biblical argument is very thin. However, the Bush administration's theme of maintaining America as the sole superpower of the world comes through loud and clear. This isn't something I support and I'm glad we're finally getting rid of the people who wanted America to rule the world.
I think the Biblical argument is very thin. However, the Bush administration's theme of maintaining America as the sole superpower of the world comes through loud and clear in the video. This isn't something I support and I'm glad we're finally getting rid of the people who wanted America to rule the world.
That statement is so stupid it is pathetically childish. Hundreds of thousands of American men and women, my brother among them, have given their lives over the years to secure the freedom of others and the only land we got was enough to bury our dead.
Wow...that was an unnecessarily severe rebuke.
Funny how these kinds of claims are always found "after" the attacks and events.
I don't buy any of it. Foolishness if you ask me.
Would you rather have the Taliban in power? If you would care to experience weakness then you could go to Zimbabwe now. You could easily be powerless and go to India, the middle east, or China and experience what persecution is like if you would name the name of Christ.
Eccl. 4:12, "And if one can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three strands is not quickly torn apart."
Because of the strength and power of Caesar Augustus when Jesus was born it permitted control so the gospel could be spread quickly. That is commonly referred to as Pax Romana.
Freedom is one thing. World domination is quite another one. That was Bush's objective. The invasion of Iraq was planned by Bush's people before he was elected President.
Bush Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' Before Becoming President
By Neil Mackay
Sunday, 15 September, 2002
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.
The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).
The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'
The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.
This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.
The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.
The PNAC report also:
•refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';
•describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';
•reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;
•says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';
•spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';
•calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;
•hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';
•and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.
Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.
'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'
Please don't call something stupid when you don't know what you're talking about.
Waving around the PNAC red flag again. How does a policy paper written by a non-government, non-profit think tank before Bush took office; one that was published and available to any who cared to look, become a "Secret Blueprint"?
Congress, in 1998, drafted the Iraq Liberation Act which called for regime change in Iraq. Bill Clinton signed it into law. Is that also a sinister plot in you eyes? Why not? Maybe because Bush had nothing to do with it.
BDS is alive and well.