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Is the NKJV translated from the Textus Receptus?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Phillip, Mar 12, 2005.

  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    "And you shall know the truth,and the truth shall make you free."

    John 8v32 - NKJV
     
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    Phillip, you don't understand. Even to mention textual questions in the footnotes means the entire translation is corrupt.
     
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    According to such inconsistent KJV-only reasoning, the 1611 edition of the KJV would
    also have to be the same.

    At Luke 17:36, the marginal note in the 1611 stated: "This 36 verse is wanting in most of the Greek copies."

    At Luke 10:22, the 1611 marginal note stated: "Many ancient copies add these words, 'And turning to his disciples, he said.'"

    At Acts 25:6, the 1611 marginal note stated:
    "as some copies read, no more than eight or ten days."

    At John 18:13, the 1611 marginal note gave a conjectural emendation found in the Bishops' Bible in the text: "And Annas sent Christ bound unto Caiaphas the high priest."
     
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    Think we have some mistaken posters here. I, too, have a NKJV and it is TR based.

    Think the "wishful thinking" of those who are so enamored with the AV that they cannot bear the thought of the NKJV being from the same documents are beginning to show their colors.
     
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    We have been down this road before and on more than one occasion.
    No one has ever shown a Wescott and Hort Aleph/B variant in the NKJV.

    What was proven is that the NJKV chooses modernized words that the NASB (for instance) also chooses in a place where there is a legitimate question as to the KJV choice or the alternate meaning (rather than a textual variant) of that word.

    Often times these alternate meanings are found in the margin of the AV First Edition.

    HankD
     
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    hehehe [​IMG] Just think of it as a slight "dig" at the KJVo theory.

    Just like the marginal notes in the KJV, showing possible variant translation possibilities considered by the translators.

    Seriously, I like the fact that the variants are listed so that I can find them at one location.
     
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    HankD said:

    I do have a copy (Nelson, 1982) and I can't find it. I posted what it says under The New Testament Text on pages v-vi of the Preface.

    While I might be thinking of their brief mention of the Elzevir edition, I'm pretty sure I recall my copy of the NKJV saying specifically that they used the 1894 Scrivener text.

    Perhaps it isn't in the preface. My NKJV has another essay in it, "The Story of the New King James," which goes into more depth about the translation. Does yours?
     
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    I looked in the back of my 1982 copy of the NKJV and following Revelation is "The History of the King James Bible". On page 1234, in the subsection entitled "The Translators Resources", the article states that "While the New Testament scholars were free to consult any available Greek text, and they did so, each agreed to follow the Greek text developed by Dr. F.H.A. Scrivener." The article goes on to explain a little about that particular text and gives four reasons for it's selection. Bruce
     
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    Good find Bruce, thank you. It is noted there that Scrivner, "reconstructed as closely as possible the Greek text underlying the King James Version." (p1234)

    Now, did Scrivner use W/H texts?
     
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    No.

    In the last paragraph of the preface of my 1894 Scrivener's Greek Text it indicates that he used the Beza 1598 Text as the primary authority along with the Stephens 1550 and Elivirs 1633 texts to compile/re-compile the Greek text underlying the AV 1611 NT.

    This is plainly evident in that Scrivener's TR contains the two TR belwethers intact witout comment; 1 John 5:7 and the word Theos in 1 Timothy 3:16.

    HankD
     
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    So, Which TR is the most accurate TR?

    I do intend this from a research perspective.

    And I would like to purchase a copy for study ...
     
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    BruceB said:

    "While the New Testament scholars were free to consult any available Greek text, and they did so, each agreed to follow the Greek text developed by Dr. F.H.A. Scrivener."

    THAT's the part I was thinking of. Thanks Bruce. And sorry for leading you on that wild-goose chase there, Hank.
     
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    El_Guero asked:

    So, Which TR is the most accurate TR?

    Well, without access to the autographs, how would we know for certain? I suppose every subsequent publisher and reviser of the Erasmus Greek text would say his was more accurate than the predecessor. (They wouldn't intentionally make it worse, would they?)

    But, of course, critical text advocates would say the same thing.
     
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    That's why I ask ...
     
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    As was already said there is no way to know but I surmise that the Scrivener is the best.

    I treat it as if it were the virtual reproduction of the inspired NT text.

    But that's just me.

    And whether they want to admit it or not the MV supporters feel the same way about the critical text.

    And we both want our Bibles to be as accurate and faithful as possible to the original autographs.

    So we should now be able to get along [​IMG]

    HankD
     
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    No problem, I'll just sprinkle some rosemary on it and roast it up (after I clean it of course).

    [​IMG]

    HankD
     
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    So how do you get a copy of scrivener's ...
     
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    Trinitarian Bible Society
     
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