Is the US the Babylon of Rev. 18?

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  1. LadyEagle

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    Rev.18
    [1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
    [2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
    [3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
    [4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    [5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    [6] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
    [7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
    [8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
    [9] And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
    [10] Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
    [11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
    [12] The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
    [13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
    [14] And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
    [15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
    [16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
    [17] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
    [18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
    [19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
    [20] Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
    [21] And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
    [22] And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
    [23] And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
    [24] And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
     
  2. Charles E.Smith

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    I think Jack Schaap, The Pastor of First Baptist Church Hammond believes that America is Babylon. Go on www.baptist-city.com and listen to the sermon 'America,America'
     
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    I vote for 'No'.
     
  4. Marcia

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    I'm not sure, but I think Babylon represents the world system that rejects Christ.
     
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    I don't have a clue - like other issues presented here it is conjecture and guessing to try to label any nation as Babylon.
     
  6. Clean1

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    maybe the middle east? I read somewhere that is said that Ancient Babylon is actually modern day Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, or one of those cities in the Middle East. I think it said Afghanistan... not sure.
     
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    I wouldn't know if she's Babylon or not. One things for sure. The US is certainly Babylon like with here approval of pagan religion, protection of sex perverts and killing of the unborn. Not to mention the treachery that it has leveled against other people around the world.
    I believe it was Jefferson who said-"I tremble for my country when I think that God is just".
     
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    Absolutely. 47 million abortions? We could not be otherwise.
     
  9. Ransom

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    Rev. 17 is pretty clear whom John meant by "Babylon" - he was speaking in cryptic language about the Roman Empire. The woman representing "Babylon the great" (Rev. 17:5) rode a beast with seven heads that represented seven hills (9) - which a contemporary Christian reader would have recognized as an allusion to the city of Rome. In addition, the heads also represented kings, of whom John is told that five had already fallen (10).

    In other words, it's clear that Babylon symbolized a present reality, not something still centuries in the future.
     
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    Why not both?
     
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    Babylon is Babylon is Babylon. Babylon is the seat of Islam. With 1.5 billion Muslims in the world today, they're very powerful. With their alliance with the Catholics (another 1.5 billion), nearly half the world is represented there.
     
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    I doubt it unless this scripture is parenthetical. It is my opinion that the US will not be relevant to the end times events. We may collapse on our own moral decay... which would seem likely if the Christians are taken out. We may be destroyed. But I have never seen a good explanation by anyone of where the US fits in Revelation.
     
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    What about Sodom and Egypt? Where does that city fit in?
     
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    "the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified" (Rev. 11:8) is obviously Jerusalem.
     
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    Hope of Glory said:

    Babylon is Babylon is Babylon. Babylon is the seat of Islam.

    Babylon is an archaeological curio buried in the desert. It is the seat of a big pile of sand.
     
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    The best, and by far the most interesting I have seen is here:

    AMERICAN BABYLON
     
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    I'd say NO.
    Apart from yhe scriptural reasons already given, don't beat yourselves about the head so much for your national imperfections. True, America does have some serious things to deal with, but when you compare the US to the rest of thhe world you don't do too bad.

    Regards
    Bob - an Australian
     
  19. Hope of Glory

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    Babylon, not buried

    The US will implode after the rapture to the point that it will not even be a major player.
     
  20. John of Japan

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    The best, and by far the most interesting I have seen is here:

    AMERICAN BABYLON
    </font>[/QUOTE]Are you sure this guy is orthodox? He quotes Swedenborg favorably on his website.
     

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