Is there a Baptist group that views Catholics as Christians?

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  1. nth78

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    I am looking for a denomination of Baptists that won't frown on me for marrying a Catholic woman. Surely some of you view them as Christians. Thanks
     
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    Primitive Baptists here in our part of the world (mid-atlantic) wouldn't have a problem with that. I can't answer for other areas.

    I believe a good many Catholics, perhaps the majority, are Christians, though somewhat of the misguided variety. We even have Catholics attend our church from time to time.

    And I believe there will be more Catholics in heaven than Baptists -- stands to figure -- sheer volume.

    Im going to hide now, while folks get their stone out to stone me.

    Jeff Weaver
     
  3. nth78

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    Jeff,

    I applaud your tolerance of other views. What I have a problem with is when some Baptists (Souther Baptists are the ones I know best) say that if you're not Baptist you are going to hell. I don't feel that way at all. I don't think my preacher, Billy Graham, Pope John Paul, Jimmy Swaggart, President Bush, or anyone else has the right to tell someone else that they are going to hell. It's not their decision, it's God's. For a human being to tell another human being that they are going to hell is worse than any sin they accuse the Catholic Church of. I love my fiance more than anyone in this world and she turned my life around for the better. You won't meet a better person. To insinuate that she is going to hell because she has some theological differences with the SBC makes me very angry!
    Also Jeff, do you know where I can find a directory of Primitive Baptist churches? That sounds like something I would be interested in.

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    I have some theological differences with the Southern Baptists too. And there are some(Several) who are on this board who think all Primitive Baptists are bound for hell too because we don't belive the same way they do. Well, I got news for em, if Jesus died for me, or anyone else they are going to be in heaven one of these days, and doctrine has absolutely nothing to do with it. Salvation is of the Lord. Period, end of discussion on that one. And the Lord can bestow His gifts on whom He will, and who am I to tell Him he can't? God forbid.
     
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    What I find ridiculous is that they believe only Southern Baptists are going to heaven. Considering the SBC isn't that old, does that mean that no one made it to heaven before there was a SBC? Or did people make it to heaven before the SBC but after the SBC was founded, only those people made it to heaven? I'd like this explained to me.
     
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    Almost any churches in the Alliance of Baptists would be comfortable with you marrying a Catholic. In addition, since most of our congregations are liturgical, the worship would be familiar to her.

    Joshua
     
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    Thanks Rev. Joshua

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nth78:
    What I find ridiculous is that they believe only Southern Baptists are going to heaven.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>nth78, I am not a Southern Baptist, and find many disagreements with the Southern Baptist Convention, but I would make this caution - I don't think you will find many Southern Baptists that believe only Southern Baptists are going to heaven. I think you have probably misunderstood what someone was saying.

    This may be off base, but I think the majority consensus of all Baptists would be that the Catholic church as a church is unscriptural, but that there are Catholics who are Christians.
     
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    I must admit that I've attended Southern Baptist churches -- all of them conservative -- all my life and I have yet to meet the legendary Southern Baptist who believes everyone else is going to Hell. Maybe I'm hanging out in the wrong places.
    That's not, however, to deny that they do exist, but I've been lucky enough not to meet them.
     
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    We are not Southern Baptists, and certainly do not believe that it is only Baptists in heaven.
    However! We also believe that to be saved & look forward to heaven you must forsake your sins & rely entirely on Jesus Christ alone as your Lord & Savior.
    In a true Christian's life there is no room for prayers to dead "saints", or Mary (Whom the Catholic Church dubs "Co-Redeemer" in their blasphemy), no purgatory, no other hope in God but through the living Savior, Jesus Christ.
    This being said, a true believer will trust that the Bible alone is God's infallible Word. Not the word of popes, priests & cardinals, but the 66 inspired books of the Bible.
    Knowing God's Word, you'll believe what Hebrews 9-10 teach: that Christ died one time for our sins. To teach that He dies again and again is blasphemy; it crucifies the Lord afresh!
    These are 3 of the top reasons why any person truly born of the Spirit would no longer desire to be a Roman Catholic, once they understood God's Word.
    If they have had this presented to them & yet cling to Rome, we must ask: Are you truly born again? Who is your Savior: Jesus Christ, or the pope?
    We must not be unequally yoked (2 Cor. 6). We must come out & be separate from worldliness and the world's religions. To intermarry with someone who still aligns with a false religion is to be unequally yoked, and to invite misery & confusion into your home & your children's lives.
    If you truly know & love the Lord Jesus, we urge you to follow Him over your own heart!
    "If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever will save his life shall lose it; and whoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it..." Mat. 16:24,25
     
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    Javalady,

    You say that you don't believe that only baptists will be in heaven, but is it purely a coincidence that your definitions of what a "true believer" will believe happen to match your baptist beliefs.

    I'm a baptist, and I generally agree that our baptist distinctives are the most biblical approach to Christianity. Nevertheless, I recognize that one can have a relationship with God through Christ and still cling to unbiblical traditions. Baptists do this and so do Roman Catholics.

    Salvation and perfect faith are not synonymous.

    Joshua
     
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    I would agree with Joshua for the most part.

    However, let me ask this: If she is a true Catholic, won't the Catholic Church have a problem with you as a protestant? They should.

    If she is just a "cultural Catholic," why not ask her to leave the Church and become Baptist?

    I have a friend who is "Catholic" and attends my SBC church. He believes in justification by faith alone, doesn't adhere to mariology, or the efficacy of the sacraments to forgive sins, or mortal sin. Yet he still cannot bring himself to leave the RCC. I told him that, though he considers himself a Catholic, that the Church, by their laws, would not consider him Catholic.

    You know, the Reformation wasn't for nuthin' Gotta make a choice. If one truly is a Roman Catholic christian, one is so DESPITE the Church, not BECAUSE of it.
     
  14. nth78

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    Actually, her priest is perfectly fine with me being a protestant. He has never tried to get me to convert or argued in any way about religion with me. He is a really cool guy. He brought to our attention that the Catholic church in the last decade has softened their stance on Catholics marry Protestants. They view Protestants as "separated bretheren". And while they don't agree with us on everything they certainly believe that God is present in our churches and we are perfectly capable of achieving salvation.
     
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    I AM A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. JESUS AND HIM ALONE PAID FOR MY SINS WHEN HE DIED ON THE CROSS; THE ONLY WAY A PERSON WILL GO TO HEAVEN IS TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF THIER SINS TO REJECT JESUS CHRIST AS THE PERFECT LAMB OF GOD IS TO SEND YOUR OWN SELF TO HELL JOHN 3;16 IT DOSNT MATTER WHAT YOU CALL YOURSELF
     
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    I think you are trying to get answers to something you already know.You want someone to tell you that it's okay when in fact if she is a christian she should have discussed this with you already. I don't know much about cathlic but I don't have to. I'm not the judge, God is. I can say that the two religions may not be a problem for you now but what about in the future. How are you going to bring up children? You need to pray about this and listen to God's answer, not your own.
     
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    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;To intermarry with someone who still aligns with a false religion is to be unequally yoked, and to invite misery & confusion into your home & your children's lives.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    But that does not solve the current problem, after marriage. Also, I find it strange that you believe that salvation can found outside the Baptist church and yet say that the Catholic church is a false religion. How can any religion outside the Baptist fold be false and yet at the same time allow admittance to heaven?
     
  18. Sam

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    I don't know how my previce message got on there twice but I can't edit it. Anyway Mark, these two people are not yet married and I think the question posted is a good one. It needs to be addressed before they make that step. Denomanation doesn't save you Jesus Christ does. But the doctern you set under there after matters too. And after marriage it will affect your relationship and be confusing when children become involved.
     
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    Thanks for calling attention to the double posting, Sam. I have deleted the duplicate.
     
  20. javalady

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    The things I posted earlier about what a true Christian include Christians that are not only Baptist, but:
    Pentecostal/Charismatics
    Calvary Chapel
    Nazarene
    Non-denominational
    Church of Christ
    Free Methodist
    Presbyterian
    Reformed
    Covenantal
    Brethren
    etc.
    While I wouldn't agree with these people about everything, those who are born again dwell in these churches above, and others besides. Their doctrine, while not identical with mine, is essentially orthodox (Biblically sound). Therefore, we are "one faith, one Lord, one baptism" (Ephesians). This is why I can say freely that it isn't only Baptists going to heaven. I have friends & family who are Presbyterian, Charismatic, and other "brands", but we are all one family in the free salvation of Jesus Christ. We bow to no pope. We hold to one Word of God. We cling to the righteousness of Christ; not our own. We are blood-bought children of God.
    However, RCC does not agree with Biblical Christians, so they are not Bibically sound.
    Yes, there are a few truly born again Christians in the RCC. They need to have the truth lovingly shown to them and prayerfully urged to leave the false church, as much as we would urge a Mormon, JW, or moonie who was born again, to leave their cult.
    Face the truth: the Word of God stands. If you don't want to hold to it, don't call yourself a Christian! Go to a cult, create your own religion, or as many honest Catholics have said, They aren't Christians, they are Catholics.
    But if you don't love the Word of God and the only way of salvation through Jesus Christ, don't align yourself with His name.
    Many who claim to love Him but hold to heresy will say in the day of judgement "Lord, Lord!" But Jesus will say, "I never knew you."
     

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