As a Lutheran Christian I have had numerous debates with Baptists and other evangelicals regarding the doctrine of Baptism. Lutherans and most other orthodox Christians believe that baptism is regenerational--we are saved in our baptisms. To be clear, we do not believe that there is something magical about the baptismal water that saves us. Neither do we believe that it is our decision, or the decision of our parents, to be baptized that saves us. We believe that we are saved by the power of the Word of God spoken during our baptism, and by this Word, the cleansing, healing power of God enters the water just as it did for Naaman in the Old Testament. Baptists deny that baptism has any role in salvation. They believe that baptism is a "public profession" of the believer's faith in Christ ONLY. In my past debates with Baptists, neither side wins. Why? Because we Lutherans and other orthodox Christians have "our" verses that support our position, and Baptists have "their" verses that support theirs. So how can this issue be settled? I suggest that each side list below any references to historical statements by Church Fathers, burial records, legal documents, Church Council statements that support their position. (We should probably limit this discussion to any evidence from the first 6 centuries after Christ, because much after that Baptists will not accept the evidence, as they believe the "Church" by that time was apostate). I have seen records that support the orthodox position but I have never seen any historical evidence that explicitly states that the sole purpose of baptism is a public profession of faith, an act of the believer, not an act of God, and in no way involved in salvation/regeneration. If you have any evidence supporting the Baptist position or the orthodox/ catholic (small "c") position, please leave it below.