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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by freeatlast, Apr 26, 2012.
I hear many people make this statment;
"Everything happens for a reason." Is this biblical? Why?
If God is indeed omnipotent and if everything works together for good (Romans 8), then everything does have a reason. I can't imagine a God who is all powerful and who does work all thing for his good pleasure (Ephesians 1) not having a reason for everything that happens.
Does God do anything without a reason?
Do we hold though to Everything happens/occurs exactly as God would ultimate want it to happen, or that He controls the processes to get to the desired final results?
Open theism (heresy by definition) would believe in a random, haphazzard no-one-is-in-control.
By the Word of God even the atoms in every element are held together. He is the blessed Controler of all things.
If His reason were within the realm of our reasoning and understanding then he would be finite. His love is beyond our comprehension.
Understanding what his reason is =/= God not having a reason for everything he does.
Now...I don't know, that's why I asked my question to FAL.
Do you believe that everything that happens God causes?
Romans 8 does not say that everything works together for good.
Romans 8:28 - And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.
It does...it just says MORE than that. (of course depending on the translation, some say "God works all things together for good...more active...I'm not good enough at greek to know which one is correct.)
When I first met my wife she would always tell me "God doesn't waste pain", I have found this to be true over my short life.
God moves in a mysterious way
His wonders to perform;
He plants His footsteps in the sea,
And rides upon the storm.
Deep in unfathomable mines
Of never failing skill
He treasures up His bright designs
And works His sovereign will.
Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take;
The clouds ye so much dread
Are big with mercy and shall break
In blessings on your head.
Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
But trust Him for His grace;
Behind a frowning providence
He hides a smiling face.
His purposes will ripen fast,
Unfolding every hour;
The bud may have a bitter taste,
But sweet will be the flower.
Blind unbelief is sure to err
And scan His work in vain;
God is His own interpreter,
And He will make it plain.
William Cowper Hymn
Yes that is what Romans 8 says, not what was stated prior. When parts of scripture is left out it changes the meaning.
No, unless the entire passage is stated the statement is incorrect. It is like saying the bible says there is no God because of Psalm 14:1.
I don't believe that God puts anything in front of us that we can't endure.
I would not say everything happens for a reason...at least not a reason that God intended...there is, for instance gratuitous evil, that God neither caused nor strictly intended. I do not think it was God's purpose for Satan to rebel, or man to sin...Indeed I would not even say that all bad things which occur have a reason or purpose that God intends....God will cause all things to work together...but they must not have a purpose individually to satisfy this I would think.
So would you agree with a basic preposition that the Lord is sovereign over all things that happen as either he caused/permitted it, but that He is in direct control of the process, the end results, NOT that He wanted each and everything happen as it did?
Bobby, that was not the question.
I am in agreement with you. :thumbs: The statement "all things happen for a reason are not biblical nor can they be backed up with scripture. That statement is a worldly statement coming from confusion, not faith.
How does that statement compare to the following:
1 Cor. 10:13, "No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it."
James 1:13-14, "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man: 14 but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed."