Israel Sets Cease Fire Conditions

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    Israel Sets Cease-Fire Conditions as Pressure on Hizbulla Grows
    18:13 Jul 16, '06 / 20 Tammuz 5766
    by Hillel Fendel

    Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi has submitted to the Lebanese government Israel's two conditions for a ceasefire: the return of the two captive soldiers held by Hizbullah, and the distancing of Hizbullah from southern Lebanon.

    - more at www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=107473

    I think that more than just moving Hizbullah out of southern Lebanon is required now. Since this situation has gone this far, Israel should demand nothing less than the disarming of Hizbullah - at least of any artillery that can hit Israel.
     
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    Yes the two kidnapped Israeli soldiers must be released, yes Hizbullah must leave southern Lebanon, but Israel also needs to win. Why? Because if Israel does not finish the job now, we will all be back in the same situation within a few years. For the sake of everyone involved this has to stop. The best way to stop it, in its tracks, is for Israel to defeat the terrorists. In the process they will prove both the United Nations wrong, and also the Bush administration's middle east terrorist appeasement policy wrong.
     
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    Appeasement policy? Conquering Iraq, supplying and supporting the Israeli move against Hamas and Hezbollah, planning to blow a long range North Korean missile out of the sky, and planning a massive air strike against Iranian nuclear research facilities to be implemented if diplomacy fails is a strange policy to call appeasement.
     
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    ==Well let's add to that list the "road map" to "peace", a "two state" "solution", asking Israel to be "restrained" in its response, no retaliation for the kidnapping, murder, and mutilation of two of our soldiers, handing out candy on the streets of Iraq, etc. Does the Bush administration hold a more aggressive policy than others have? Sure, but they are not doing enough to win in Iraq, nor are they doing enough to help Israel win the war on terror.

    As for North Korea, I think the Bush administration is on the right path. I agree with the six party talks, thus forcing NK to admit this is not "just" a North Korea/United States problem. I also agree with the Bush administration's threat to "blow a long range North Korean missile out of the sky".

    As for Iraq, we need to win. Forget making "friends" we just need to defeat the terrorists and leave. It is not our job to bring democracy to Iraq.
     
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    The Bush (Quartet) Road Map was an appeasement policy. I always said you can't deal with terrorists. That's what the Road Map was, an appeasement to terrorists. Did the terrorists view this gesture plus all that Israel gave them as a gesture of peace? No! They continued attacks, considered the abandonment of Gaza as a sign of weakness, and renewed their vows to drive Israel into the sea. Recent developments this week of Hamas supporting Hezbollah and unifying against Israel were no surprise to some of us who understand the theology/ideology that drives terrorists and those who support them.

    Bush speaks out of two sides of his mouth. On the one hand, he says Israel has the right to defend herself and on the other hand, he says they should use restraint. But of course, that is how he has conducted the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and now thinks that is how Israel should conduct the war that has been declared on her. He is but a pawn in the hands of the muslim Arabs and they know he is weak and as a result, they believe America is weak. Also, by the G8, including Pres. Bush, refusing to come down hard on the Lebanese government and insisting that they disarm Hezbollah and take control of their own border and reign in the Hezbollah terrorists, the leaders of Iran and NK are laughing at the world leaders' weakness in refusing to take the lead in insisting that the Lebanese government get a grip on this. Appeasement of Hamas and Hezbollah has not worked in the past and the only thing they will understand is force without restraint. As the former PM of Israel stated not long ago - the US cannot negotiate with Bin Laden and neither can Israel negotiate with Hezbollah or Hamas. A perfect analogy.
     
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    It is unrealistic to think that Israel is moving against Hamas and Hezbollah without the support and the blessing of the United States.
     
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    1) I am no fan of George W. Bush but that statement is inaccurate, disgusting, and beyond the pale.

    2) The Lebanese government does not have the necessary military power to throw Hezbollah out of the 1/3 of the country that they control. Others will have to help them do it.

    3) Agreed.
     
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    ==Bush should tell his fellow G8 "partners" that Israel should, and "will", defend herself. He should never cave into the "restraint" spin. Israel should know that, while we will not fight this battle for them, we are firmly on their side.
     
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    I don't think that there is a clear thinking person in the world who doesn't understand that the U.S. is firmly on Israel's side.
     
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    Hizbullah will have to be disarmed or killed in order for Lebanon to remove them from Southern Lebanon. That is the only way these terrorists will leave. Israel will have won if these demands for a cease fire are met.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    After watching the goings on over there for the past couple of days, I am convinced that it is time for Hezbollah and Hamas to either surrender and renounce terrorism or else go bye bye courtesy of the Israeli military with U.S. assistance if needed.
     
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    They won't go away, it may temporarily look like they have, if this current situation in Israel ever concludes, but they won't go away. Many muslims are loyal to these groups & fund them, all over the world. Hezbollah has cells all over the world. We would do well to remember that although these different groups seem unconnected, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Palestinian Jihad, Hamas, and other groups scattered throughout the planet, including groups in Saudi Arabia and Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood), as well as the governments of Iran and Syria and now Somalia, Libya, and more - are all connected by their religious political ideology of a muslm takeover of the world and their ideology is preached in most mosque every Friday. They are all waiting for the Mahdi to come and make the earth a planet ruled by islam and sharia law. If we don't remember that, it is to our peril.

    http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tgpndx.htm
     
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    Did you mean that Muslims are waiting for Jesus Christ, the Messiah, to return; destroy the earth (Armageddon); and bow down to Mohamed?
     

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