Israel's Policy Is Perfectly 'Proportionate'

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  1. Ps104_33

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    Israel's actions in Gaza are justified under international law, and Israel should be commended for its self-defense against terrorism. Article 51 of the United Nations Charter reserves to every nation the right to engage in self-defense against armed attacks. The only limitation international law places on a democracy is that its actions must satisfy the principle of proportionality.
    Since Israel ended its occupation of Gaza, Hamas has fired thousands of rockets designed to kill civilians into southern Israel. The residents of Sderot -- which have borne the brunt of the attacks -- have approximately 15 seconds from launch time to run into a shelter. Although deliberately targeting civilians is a war crime, terrorists firing at Sderot are so proud of their actions that they sign their weapons.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123085925621747981.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
     
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    The point is well stated! Good OP!
     
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    Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons. -- Associated Press, Dec. 27
    WASHINGTON -- Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating.
    Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Hamas, which started this conflict with unrelenting rocket and mortar attacks on unarmed Israelis -- 6,464 launched from Gaza in the last three years -- deliberately places its weapons in and near the homes of its own people.
    This has two purposes. First, counting on the moral scrupulousness of Israel, Hamas figures civilian proximity might help protect at least part of its arsenal. Second, knowing that Israelis have new precision weapons that may allow them to attack nonetheless, Hamas hopes that inevitable collateral damage -- or, if it is really fortunate, an errant Israeli bomb -- will kill large numbers of its own people for which, of course, the world will blame Israel.
    For Hamas the only thing more prized than dead Jews are dead Palestinians. The religion of Jew-murder and self-martyrdom is ubiquitous. And deeply perverse, such as the Hamas TV children's program in which an adorable live-action Palestinian Mickey Mouse is beaten to death by an Israeli (then replaced by his more militant cousin, Nahoul the Bee, who vows to continue on Mickey's path to martyrdom)....


    http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2009/01/02/the_necessity_of_israel
     
  4. Revmitchell

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    The doctrine of proportionality is idiotic.
     
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    Proportionate response never won a war!
     
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    Israel has taken about all it should from groups like Hamas. While my sympathy and prayers go out for the Palestinian people, Israel has to do what Israel has to do. No country should be expected to put up with the things Israel has had to put up with.
     
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    Americans would never put up with Canada or Mexico shooting 1 missle at us, let alone over 6000. The Israelis are very brave people and need to clear out the problem (which should have been done years ago). It was a mistake for Bush to strong arm Sharon (Road Map from Hell) to give up the Gaza strip and the fact that it was taken over by Hamas terrorists was predictable.

    A two state solution cannot happen because of the terrorist ideology of the palestinian people, as demonstrated in their media.

    http://www.pmw.org.il/

    Escape from Hamas airs on Fox News Channel tomorrow night - see my post in the News Forum. Here:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=56214
     
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    Naw,

    It just basically means that restorting to war will be your last resort. Now, if the neighboring country (population) is already dropping rockets on your head the point of last resort is already passed becuase you are already engaged in war (you are just on the receiving end at the moment). Then, it also means that once you are engaged in war you only do what is necessary to win (like you don't "nuke em" when conventional weapons will get the job done with less loss of life on both sides).
     
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    It seems like the rest of the world expects impossible standards of Israel which they themselves would not tolerate without outrage and protest if they were held to the same standards under the same circumstances. It is disappointing.

    I just wish the rest of the world would back Israel......those which aren't dominated by islam. Too bad so many everywhere are dependant on oil for energy...... and look to the Arab nations for their source. Its like political and moral enslavement by the oil cartel.
     
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    No the rest of the world expects Israel to be run into the ocean
     
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    Whatever.......

    That's also the devil's goal....... so what's new?
     
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    We have put up with Mexicans shooting across the border and incursions by the Mexican military into our territory.
     
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    Israel is fully justified in their actions. Proportional response? We have lots of room to talk about that since we have not won a war since WW2. You fight a war to win. If you are going to half fight and linger for years, dont bother.
     
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    Exactly! It is not fair to our young men and woman to send them to fight while the dopes in Washington play politics with their lives. Get in. Destroy with extremely disproportional response. Get out. Give the enemy a chance to capitulate.
     
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    As I have stated before, do not give a chance for "cease fires" until total victory is achieved. We have made that mistake in Viet Nam and in Iraq. All a cease fire does is give the enemy a chance to regroup. One does not nation build until one has beaten the enemy into submission. I agree there are dopes in Washington, and it would not surprise me if they are on dope. :BangHead:
     
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    Shock and Awe come short. We need to Shock and Awe and Win by any means necessary. Could you imagine us trying to win WWII today? The bleeding hearts with the bumper stickers that read, "Would Jesus Drop a Bomb?" would have had us bowing to Hitler and the Japs before it was all over with.
     

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