It accomplished that all shall Live !

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    2 Cor 5:14-15

    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Folks one of the sure ways to determine who Jesus Christ died for, to know whether it was limited to only some of mankind, is to know that it [His Death] in the purpose of God must produce certain results, that being Life, Spiritual Life, this is true so much so, that if one does not experience New Life from from Christ by New Birth in this Life, to live by Faith, we can safely conclude that Christ never died for them, else we must admit that Christ's Death failed the purpose of God ! How many of us are willing to do that ?

    Now our text passage informs us that the purpose of Christ's death was so that all for whom He died, should live unto Him that died for them, that Being Christ !

    In Vs 15 it reads that He died for all [all that He died for] that !

    Lets look at the word that :

    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Its the conjunction hina and means:

    I.that, in order that, so that !

    It denotes purpose and end, to the intent that, to the end that,

    In order that they which Live ! Who are the they which Live ? Its all for whom He died, for they Live by His Resurrection, they Live when He Lived from the dead.

    Rom 6:10

    For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

    Thats talking about Christ, He Liveth after having died, He liveth unto God , not as a private person, but as the Head and Represenative of all for whom He died, so His Living unto God must translate unto their Living unto God, the members of the Body must Live because its Head does ! Thats why He is the Saviour of the Body Eph 5:23

    For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

    So being that He is the Head, He is the Saviour, both Head and Saviour is a Joint Office,

    So the they which Live in 2 Cor 5:15 are simply all whom He represented when He died and rose again !

    Now, the Purpose of His Death and resurrection was that they should Live unto God or unto Him that died for them and rose again ! Who is both God and Man,

    So thats how we know who specifically who Christ died for and rose again, simply speaking, all who live unto God by Faith ! Did you and I come to Faith in Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit ? Then Christ died for us, BUT if we never come to a Living Faith in Christ, then Christ did not die for us, lest we charge Gods intent for His death with failure !
     
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    Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !

    Titus 2:14

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    To be redeemed from all iniquity does include being redeemed from unbelief, the prison of unbelief. It should be remembered that to be in unbelief/disobedience is a matter of being imprisoned, for it is written in Rom 11:32

    32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    To be concluded in unbelief is to be imprisoned to it. The greek word concluded is sygkleiō and means:


    I.to shut up together, enclose

    A.of a shoal of fishes in a net



    II.to shut up on all sides, shut up completely

    Man by nature is Locked up in Unbelief / disobedience !

    Rom 11:32

    32 For God has made all people prisoners of disobedience, so that he might show mercy to them all.GNT

    32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.HCSB

    This is important to know, and this is why its impossible for any sinner by nature to believe and or obey, to say they can, is to say they overcame in their flesh being imprisoned to unbelief, which means they redeemed themselves out of the prison of unbelief and not Christ, which is Idolatry and antichrist !
     
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    Two very helpful and clear posts. These are beyond dispute.
     
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    Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !2

    Again, to be concluded in unbelief as Per Rom 11:32 is to be literally imprisoned:

    to confine in or as if in a prison And the only release from it is the the Redemption that is in and through Christ Jesus !

    Rom 3:24; Eph 1:7 the word redemption apolytrōsis means:

    I.a releasing effected by payment of ransom

    A.redemption, deliverance


    B.liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

    Now understand something, by His Death alone He paid the ransom price to God's Justice that causes an immedite release from #1 The Penalty of sin and #2 the consequences of sin, which one was to be imprisoned into unbelief / disobedience Per Rom 11:32

    32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    32 For God has made all people prisoners of disobedienceGNT

    32 For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience ISV

    32 For God closed all things together in unbelief [Forsooth God closed together all things in unbelief], that he have mercy on all. WYC

    So because His Blood alone paid the Redemptive Price, all for whom the Blood was shed for, must be as a matter of Justice be set free from, liberated fro, released from all the consequences of sin, which unbelief is one of those consequences, hence imprisoned in unbelief because of sin ! So Those Christ died for must be brought out of the Prison house of unbelief as an evidence that God has accepted His Blood as their Redemptive Price to free them from the prison of unbelief !
     
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    Thanks, But many do dispute , because they believe that its possible for one whom Christ died for can yet remain in unbelief, for if such was the case, His Redeeming Death would be of non effect !
     
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    Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !3

    So because His Blood alone paid the Redemptive Price, all for whom the Blood was shed for, must be as a matter of Justice be set free from, liberated fro, released from all the consequences of sin, which unbelief is one of those consequences, hence imprisoned in unbelief because of sin !

    So Those Christ died for must be brought out of the Prison house of unbelief as an evidence that God has accepted His Blood as their Redemptive Price to free them from the prison of unbelief !

    Thats why it is written Isa 61:1

    The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

    Notice here that it says " The Opening of the Prison to them that are bound" Thats speaking of the Prison of Unbelief, for remember we are by nature concluded to unbelief Rom 11:32

    For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    That word concluded means :


    I.to shut up together, enclose

    A.of a shoal of fishes in a net



    II.to shut up on all sides, shut up completely

    For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.HCSB

    The Redemptive Death of Christ opens up the Prison of unbelief.

    The word opening is the word pĕqach-qowach and means I.opening (of eyes), wide

    Thats opening the eyes of Faith, remember Paul said this Acts 26:18

    18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    Faith in Christ is the result of the opening of the eyes !

    Lets look at Isa 42:7

    7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

    Thats describing the giving of the Gift of Faith ! So these verses shows how there is an application of deliverance from the prison of unbelief, in the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus !
     
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    As Pai; states in Romans, praise to God, who has made the jewish messiah, the Jewish Jesus, Lord and Saviour for both Jews/Gentiles!
     
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    Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !4


    So the bringing out the prisoners from the prison [of unbelief] is deliverance out of unbelief, So faith or believing in Christ is the evidence that Christ's Redemptive Death worked, was effective, in redeeming from iniquity to include unbelief. We know that Christ's redemptive death worked for those He died for when they believe the Gospel of their Salvation, it means that His Death successfully redeemed them out of the Prison, and that their Spiritual eyes had been opened as per Acts 26:18

    18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them whichare sanctified by faith that is in me.

    See when a sinner is in Unbelief they are evidencing being under the Power of satan !

    Thats why, all the while we are in a lost state, the god of this world, satan has blinded our minds so that we believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    Thats why its antichrist to say that any of those Christ died for can yet die in their sins in unbelief as Per Jn 8:24

    24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    That is to say that ordained effects of Christ's Redemptive Death in the Purpose of God has been defeated by the devil and unbelief which contradicts Isa 42:7, because any and all in unbelief are spiritually in a prison Rom 11:32 ! Now ask yourself as I will ask myself, Did the Christ I believe in, that died for His People, deliver them from the Prison of Unbelief/disobedience ? If not, he is not the Christ of God !
     
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    2 Cor 5:14-15

    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Folks one of the sure ways to determine who Jesus Christ died for, to know whether it was limited to only some of mankind, is to know that it [His Death] in the purpose of God must produce certain results, that being Life, Spiritual Life, this is true so much so, that if one does not experience New Life from from Christ by New Birth in this Life, to live by Faith, we can safely conclude that Christ never died for them, else we must admit that Christ's Death failed the purpose of God ! How many of us are willing to do that ?

    Now our text passage informs us that the purpose of Christ's death was so that all for whom He died, should live unto Him that died for them, that Being Christ !

    In Vs 15 it reads that He died for all [all that He died for] that !

    Lets look at the word that :

    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Its the conjunction hina and means:

    I.that, in order that, so that !

    It denotes purpose and end, to the intent that, to the end that,

    In order that they which Live ! Who are the they which Live ? Its all for whom He died, for they Live by His Resurrection, they Live when He Lived from the dead.

    Rom 6:10

    For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

    Thats talking about Christ, He Liveth after having died, He liveth unto God , not as a private person, but as the Head and Represenative of all for whom He died, so His Living unto God must translate unto their Living unto God, the members of the Body must Live because its Head does ! Thats why He is the Saviour of the Body Eph 5:23

    For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

    So being that He is the Head, He is the Saviour, both Head and Saviour is a Joint Office,

    So the they which Live in 2 Cor 5:15 are simply all whom He represented when He died and rose again !

    Now, the Purpose of His Death and resurrection was that they should Live unto God or unto Him that died for them and rose again ! Who is both God and Man,

    So thats how we know who specifically who Christ died for and rose again, simply speaking, all who live unto God by Faith ! Did you and I come to Faith in Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit ? Then Christ died for us, BUT if we never come to a Living Faith in Christ, then Christ did not die for us, lest we charge Gods intent for His death with failure !
     
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    1 Cor 15:45 He became a Life giving Spirit !

    1 Cor 15:45

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    To who did He become a Life giving Spirit to ? Why to everyone He died for and canceled for them the wages of sin, which is Death !

    Now this Truth was confirmed on the Day of Pentecost, when the risen and Exalted Christ, poured out upon His Church, His Body, His Life giving Spirit, notice the words of Acts 2:31-33

    31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

    32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

    33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    And by His Spirit that He gave them by shedding it forth. Note that word shed forth does also mean:

    to give; bestow; communicate: To impart !

    And by His Spirit given them they were quickened to Spiritual Life, and with that cometh Spiritual ears to hear, and spiritual hearts to tremble at God's Words Isa 66:2

    2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth[in awe and reverence] at my word.

    Now the message that Peter was inspired to preach to them, convinced them of their sin and unbelief, as we see in Acts 2:23, where he exposed their wickedness and in Vs 37, it shows how the Spirit with the Word had pricked their Hearts, and so it was evident of a Spiritual change having taken place in them, and what is meant by He is a Life giving Spirit as well as He giveth repentance [change] To Israel/Church Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    That word exalted is the same word Peter used in Acts 2:33

    Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    Thats How He gives Repentance,by being a Exalted Life giving Spirit, He communicates Life and Repentance to His Body ! And so it also cometh to pass about Christ's words here Jn 6:63

    63 It is the spirit that quickeneth[1 Cor 15:45]; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
     
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    1 Cor 15:45 He became a Life giving Spirit ! 2

    Continuing our thought from the previous post, its no coincidence that the same word for quicken here in Jn 6:63

    63 It is the spirit that quickeneth or gives life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    Its the same word used for the same dynamic Paul writes of here 1 Cor 15:45

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening or life giving spirit.

    45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.ASV

    45 Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being (an individual personality); the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit [restoring the dead to life].AMP

    Its the greek word zoopoieo : which means, I make to live, or I make that to live which was dead, cause ot Live, quicken, or restore to life.

    So the Risen Christ, the Last Adam, via the agency of His Spirit, The Holy Ghost, or the Spirit of Christ it may be called, makes or causes that which was dead to live, as in Eph 2:5 where again the same word is used Eph 2:5

    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

    5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved),ASV

    5 Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation).AMP

    Its then and only then are quickened sinners are prepared for the Gospel Kingdom obedience enjoined by Peter here Acts 2:38

    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
     
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    1 Cor 15:45 He became a Life giving Spirit ! 3

    Now in the continuum, the points being made here is that the hearing [spiritually] of Peters words preached, as stated by another Apostle John 1 Jn 4:6

    We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    And the pricking of the heart for sin, and the willingness to submit to Apostolic instruction in Gospel obedience, that this was the effect and result of the Saviours Out Pouring of the Spirit Acts 2:33

    33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    This Outpouring of the Spirit is also the New Covenant Blessing on the House of Israel with its attending results Ezk 36:26-27

    26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them[Shall do Gospel Obedience].

    The shedding forth of the Spirit that Peter preached Acts 2:33 Paul who was converted later, Preached the same thing Titus 3:5-6

    5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

    You see that ? If Christ is Our Savior, in accordance with that Office, He must shed on us abundantly the Holy Ghost !

    The Spiritual renewing of the Holy Ghost gives us a circumcised heart spiritually, along with spiritual ears to Hear, and is that Spiritual preparation of the good ground hearer Matt 13:23; And so in conclusion, those who on the Day of Pentecost and any other time following, who receive the Word of God Preached 1 Thess 1:6; 2:13 and submit to Gospel ordinances as Baptism in the Name of Jesus for the remission of sins, its because they had first and foremost been quickened to Life Spiritual by their Risen Savior !577
     
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    Quickened sinners !

    In the Acts 2:38 account we have established that we have quickened sinners, and as such, as New Born Babes their crying out for instruction indicates their desire for the milk of the word and its doctrines. Again remember how these new born/quickened sinners desired to be spiritually instructed Acts 2:37-38

    37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    This was a sign of New and Spiritual Life, and then following the instruction by water baptism, now such is milk for the babes as we learn from Heb 5:12-6:2

    Now here in this sequence its noticed that the teaching of baptisms Heb 6:2 is linked to the milk of the word from Heb 5:12-14

    Now this is telling us that the doctrine and instruction of baptism is only for babes in Christ, those newly born again and in need of the milk of the word 1 Pet 2:2

    2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

    Remember Peter had said earlier that these newborn babes had been born again 1 Pet 1:3,23 and had the Gospel preached to them 1 Pet 1:25 !

    This Truth of course condemns all false teachings that water baptism is required as a condition to Salvation, that one must be water baptized to get saved, it also shows that Spiritual Life is Necessary in order to believe the Gospel !586
     
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    Will draw all to Him !

    Jn 12:32

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    This verse more than any other does ensure the saving/converting success from Christ's death, the Lifting up here has reference to Atoning Death, and as a consequence, all for whom He was Lifted up in behalf of, that is delivered for or because of their sins Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    They shall be drawn to Him, by the cords of Divine Love Jer 31:3

    3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

    If God Loved us in Christ, He will draw us to Him, for God's Love must be in Christ for this to occur Rom 8:39

    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    The all men that are drawn in Jn 12:32 is His Spouse, the Church, His Bride, whom He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25

    25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    This is also pictured in Song of Solomon 1:4

    The song of songs, which is Solomon's.

    2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

    3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.

    4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.

    This pictures the Holy Bride being drawn by the Bridegroom and she perceives His Love for her

    And She Loves Him in return because it is written 1 Jn 4:19

    19 We love him, because he first loved us.

    The Upright is His Spouse, the Church, made so by His Obedience unto death Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    There is an superb illustration of how the Love of Christ and the power of His Death/ Cross draws individuals to Him that He has Loved and gave Himself for, and how He works secretly in their hearts and minds drawing them to Himself !

    Mk 14:3-9

    To those of you who dont know, this is Mary of Bethany or Magdalene who was being a notorious sinner, but notice how she showed up here at this dinner, she was drawn by Her Saviors Love, realizing the Forgiveness of her sins.

    In another Gospel account Lk 7:36-48 Jesus informs us of why she wrought this good work upon Him Lk 7:47-48

    47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

    48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

    She had been given a Divine intuition of her forgivness that incited this action of hers. Also Jesus stated that it was conncted to His Death and Burial Matt 26:12-13

    12 For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial.

    13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

    The same burial Paul mentions here 1 Cor 15:3-4

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    All for whom Christ died, was Lifted up for, shall be drawn to Him by the cords of Love, and they shall Love in return !564
     
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    Salvation comes from His Death !

    Its simply amazing how many so called Believers in Christ, they dont even believe that His Death ALONE saved those He died for, which such a belief is essential to Faith in Christ, believing on Him for all of Salvation; in other words, if we dont believe Christ's Death ALONE is what saves a Soul for whom He dies from Death, the Penalty of Sin, that is Death in all of its phases, Spiritual, Eternal, and out of Physical Death if we must die Physically, for all shall not sleep, then quite frankly we dont believe in Christ, thats all to it , we are yet in unbelief, no matter how religious and sincere we may be !

    Now there are numerous scriptures that teach God's True People that Christ's death alone saved those He died for, yet at this Time I will Highlight one in particular that is so neglected, which is this One Jn 12:24

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    The Corn of wheat here that falls into the Ground and DIES, signifys Christ's Death Vs 32-33

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    This is all in the same context of Jn 12 ! And if He as that Corn of wheat dies, the result is, " it bringeth forth MUCH Fruit" which is meant by that Salvation, The Salvation of Souls, The Fruit of Life Eternal !

    The bringing forth much fruit is the producing of a numerous Offspring or descendents , for the word fruit karpos does mean:

    B.the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity

    Its related to the Great Prophecy Isa 53:10

    10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin[Fall into the Ground and die], he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

    That word seed zera` means:

    D.offspring, descendants, posterity, children

    Yes, Jn 12:24 is the same as Isa 53:10, and this offspring receives its Life from Christ 1 Cor 15:45

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    And there is no other way to understand Jn 12:24, the verse simply teaches the Eternal Salvation of each and everyone Christ as the Corn of wheat fell into the Ground and died for, Seeing His Seed is the Fruit of His Death, or bringing forth much fruit !
     
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    He finished the Work God gave Him to do !

    John 17:4

    4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    Now what exactly was the Work that He finished ? Was it to make Salvation possible ? What about available ? No never, but it was everything needed to be done for the complete Salvation, the Saving of Gods Covenant People Israel, Remember the Promise Isa 45:17

    17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

    Thats His Work God gave Him to do, to ensure that that Promise comes into frution.

    For this cause He was given a Covenant unto the People Isa 42:6-7

    6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

    7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

    These things constitute their Salvation from sin ! Now Christ the Lord did accomplish this Work, He executes everything needful for everyone of Israel [God's Elect from all Nations] to come into a Saving Knowledge of their Salvation by experience, He finished all things needed to accomplish that Jn 19:30

    30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

    Not one of them shall be Lost. They needed the Spirit to work effectually in their Lives in order for this to be done and accomplished, so thats why after complteing the Work of the Cross,God gave Him the Holy Spirit to pour upon all He had been given as a Covenant Head to Acts 2:32-33

    32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

    33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    This act ensures that everyone for whom He died comes into the Saving Knowledge of the Truth 1 Tim 2:4

    4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    And the And the Holy Ghost that Christ sheds upon them effects this outcome 2 Thess 2:13

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    The Work of the Spirit through Christ fufills the Will of God the Father expressed in 1 Tim 2:4 !543
     
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    It appears to me that you are arguing against unconditional election, which is a good thing, however I believe it goes against your pov that TULIP is perfect theology. You are basically declaring that the ignorance or lack of understanding coming from an individual can thwart the calling of God's elect unto faith in Jesus Christ.
     
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    He finished the Work God gave Him to do ! 2

    Now if this doesn't happen unto all for whom God desires to be saved and come into a Knowledge of the Truth as expressed in 1 Tim 2:4

    4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    Then Christ Lied here Jn 17:4

    4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    And He was delusional and lied here Jn 19:30

    30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

    That word finished there means:

    II.to perform, execute, complete, fulfil, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command etc.)

    God's Commandment from the Work of Christ is Everlasting Life Accomplished Jn 12:50

    And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

    God is NOT GLORIFIED if Christ did not finish all that needed to be finished that ensured the Execution of the Divine Purpose and Will which to seek and TO SAVE ALL that which was Lost Lk 19:10

    10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    Christ has miserably failed if What He finished upon the completion of His Work does not effect that All whom God willed to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as Per 1 Tim 2:4, which is to experience Salvation in the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13 ! 544
     
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    I dont understand how you came up with that. Please rehearse with me the entire post 15 from which you got the quote from and explain back each point I made !
     
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    Peter confessed Jesus is the Son of God, did this prove his election? At this point Peter did not have any knowledge of Christ death. In fact, no believer prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ believed in such. So was Peter saved or not when he made his confession?

    You have decided that unless a believer ( one who believes Jesus is the Christ, the son of God) understands and believes Jesus' death ALONE ( according to your understanding of ALONE) saves, then such a one is not a true believer and thus still in unbelief.

    Furthermore, I don't really see any point to this thread, it is as if you are trying to convince some believers here that they are not truly saved. And it would make no sense for you to try in convince such believers of their error since in your theology only the Holy Spirit could cause such belief.

    You are telling us how we should believe in order to be saved. When TULIP teaches one believes how they believe because the Holy Spirit made them believe such a way. You are not holding true to your own beliefs.
     
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