It never happened - did it?

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  1. Salty

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    The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer
    Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan.
    15, 2008. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message
    to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world.

    REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER
    Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30

    ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

    I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a
    terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz ... We killed six million
    Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned
    a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen
    people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people
    who changed the world.
    The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science,
    art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the
    world. These are the people we burned.

    And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

    They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

    Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

    And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical
    hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for
    backwardness and superstition.

    We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

    What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe ...

    The Global Islamic population is approximately ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

    Literature:
    1988 - Najib Mahfooz

    Peace:
    1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
    1990 - Elias James Corey
    1994 - Yaser Arafat:
    1999 - Ahmed Zewai

    Economics:
    (zero)

    Physics:
    (zero)

    Medicine:
    1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
    1998 - Ferid Mourad

    TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
     
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    The Global Jewish population is approximately FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have
    received the following Nobel Prizes:

    Literature:
    1910 - Paul Heyse
    1927 - Henri Bergson
    1958 - Boris Pasternak
    1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
    1966 - Nelly Sachs
    1976 - Saul Bellow
    1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
    1981 - Elias Canetti
    1987 - Joseph Brodsky
    1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

    Peace:
    1911 - Alfred Fried
    1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
    1968 - Rene Cassin
    1973 - Henry Kissinger
    1978 - Menachem Begin
    1986 - Elie Wiesel
    1994 - Shimon Peres
    1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

    Physics:
    1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
    1906 - Henri Moissan
    1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
    1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
    1910 - Otto Wallach
    1915 - Richard Willstaetter
    1918 - Fritz Haber
    1921 - Albert Einstein
    1922 - Niels Bohr
    1925 - James Franck
    1925 - Gustav Hertz
    1943 - Gustav Stern
    1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
    1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
    1952 - Felix Bloch
    1954 - Max Born
    1958 - Igor Tamm
    1959 - Emilio Segre
    1960 - Donald A. Glaser
    1961 - Robert Hofstadter
    1961 - Melvin Calvin
    1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
    1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
    1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
    1965 - Julian Schwinger
    1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
    1971 - Dennis Gabor
    1972 - William Howard Stein
    1973 - Brian David Josephson
    1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
    1976 - Burton Richter
    1977 - Ilya Prigogine
    1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
    1978 - Peter L Kapitza
    1979 - Stephen Weinberg
    1979 - Sheldon Glashow
    1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
    1980 - Paul Berg
    1980 - Walter Gilbert
    1981 - Roald Hoffmann
    1982 - Aaron Klug
    1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
    1985 - Jerome Karle
    1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
    1988 - Robert Huber
    1988 - Leon Lederman
    1988 - Melvin Schwartz
    1988 - Jack Steinberger
    1989 - Sidney Altman
    1990 - Jerome Friedman
    1992 - Rudolph Marcus
    1995 - Martin Perl
    2000 - Alan J. Heeger

    Economics:
    1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
    1971 - Simon Kuznets
    1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
    1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
    1976 - Milton Friedman
    1978 - Herbert A. Simon
    1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
    1985 - Franco Modigliani
    1987 - Robert M. Solow
    1990 - Harry Markowitz
    1990 - Merton Miller
    1992 - Gary Becker
    1993 - Robert Fogel

    Medicine:
    1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
    1908 - Paul Erlich
    1914 - Robert Barany
    1922 - Otto Meyerhof
    1930 - Karl Landsteiner
    1931 - Otto Warburg
    1936 - Otto Loewi
    1944 - Joseph Erlanger
    1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
    1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
    1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
    1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
    1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
    1953 - Hans Krebs
    1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
    1958 - Joshua Lederberg
    1959 - Arthur Kornberg
    1964 - Konrad Bloch
    1965 - Francois Jacob
    1965 - Andre Lwoff
    1967 - George Wald
    1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
    1969 - Salvador Luria
    1970 - Julius Axelrod
    1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
    1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
    1975 - Howard Martin Temin
    1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
    1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
    1978 - Daniel Nathans
    1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
    1984 - Cesar Milstein
    1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
    1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
    1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
    1988 - Gertrude Elion
    1989 - Harold Varmus
    1991 - Erwin Neher
    1991 - Bert Sakmann
    1993 - Richard J. Roberts
    1993 - Phillip Sharp
    1994 - Alfred Gilman
    1995 - Edward B. Lewis
    1996- Lu RoseIacovino


    TOTAL: 129!
     
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    The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training
    camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

    The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

    Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

    Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

    Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

    'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ..." Benjamin Netanyahu

    General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

    He did this because he said in words to this effect:

    'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

    Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

    It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way.

    Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

    How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?
     
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    Well said.
     
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    Amen! :thumbsup:
     
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    Skip the spam version, here's the actual essay:

    http://www.gentiuno.com/articulo.asp?articulo=1865

    =Because they are the people who have given humanity its greatest minds, capable of changing the course of history: Christ, Marx, Einstein, Freud
     
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    Surely the headline, "ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ" is hyperbole. If not, I must be dead without knowing it. :laugh:
     
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    Some say that Jewish people rule the world. This thread is saying that all non-Jews are losers?

    How many Baptists have earned international academic awards?
     
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    >The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

    The Jews control the Federal Reserve System and dictate US foreign policy.
     
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    I'm not quite sure what this thread is saying, but comparing the number of Jews who have won academic awards to the number of baptists who have done so is not comparing like with like.

    Those Jews who have the awards are Jews in the sense that they are natural descendants from Abraham. Baptists are baptists because of their beliefs.

    Of course, things are different if we apply the term "Jew" in the way the apostle Paul does in Romans 2.28-29:

    For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.


    Do we know how many of the Jews who "have earned international academic awards" are Jews merely by natural decent, and how many have had their hearts circumcised?

    I know a similar question could be asked by people calling themselves baptists - how many are baptists in name only, and how many hold the beliefs in their hearts, but even so, no one is a baptist by natural descent.
     
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    > no one is a baptist by natural descent.

    TRUE! This thread is actually about IQ and intelligence being inherited or a matter of training. Did these Jews earn these awards because their DNA caused them to be smarter than the rest of us or because their culture is superior to Christian culture?

    It is the "Chinese/Japanese/Korean" side of the US "minority" coin and the bad-mouthing of black people on the baptistboard.com. Last 20 years - at least on the Left Coast - any time "racial" and "discrimination" problems are mention in the press the story is most always about black people and second, about "Hispanic" people. There are NEVER headline stories about Chinese/Japanese/Korean Americans earning all the school awards and having a higher median income than white people.

    If black people are statistically below white people because white people don't like black people then are Asian-Americans superior to white Americans because White Americans like Asian-American people better than they like white people? Or is Asian-American culture superior to white culture? Or is their DNA superior?

    BUT, AS YOU NOTE, the state of being "Baptist" is self selective and self designated. Out of all the 300 million assorted Americans, what causes some of them to designate themselves as Baptists? Is it cultural or DNA? Do Baptists have other social characteristics that can be statistically analyzed?

    It has been 15 or 20 years since I have read "The Bell Curve." One of the observations the book noted was that Fundamentalist Christians were statistically under represented in corporate board rooms and Episcopal Christians were over represented. Do people who self-select as a fundamentalist instinctively reject other human attitudes and associations which would move them up the corporate food chain - the human food chain?
     
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    How do you get all this from the article? Have an ax to grind?
     
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    That you would ask such a silly question merely tells us that you are not familiar with our billwald. :laugh:

    He is rarely if ever on topic.

    His posts are always incomprehensible. :laugh:
     
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    Thanks for the reply, Bill. I think I see the point of the thread a bit better now. But your reply does raise some concerns in my mind:

    Except in a comparatively few cases, I don't know the ethnic origin of the various members of the Baptist Board. So I must say that I haven't noticed what you call "the 'Chinese/Japanese/Korean' side of the US 'minority' coin and the bad-mouthing of black people on the baptistboard.com." And I don't understand your leap from what you think happens here on the baptistboard.com to what appears or doesn't appear in the press, I assume the American press. And on a trivial matter, which coast is the "left coast"? I would have thought it depended on which way you were facing. :)

    It is neither cultural nor DNA (unless things are completely different in the USA to what they are here). I am a baptist, yet I do not live in a culture which is baptistic, and although I have done some research into my family tree, I have not found a single ancestor who was a baptist. I am sure most baptists would say the same.

    As for your question about other social characteristics of baptists, I would say no. Some baptists are rch, some poor; some are highly intelligent (not me!!!), and some are not; some are married, and some are single; some have children and some do not.....and so the list could go on.

    I know what a bell curve is, but I have not come across the book. A search on the internet tells me that it is highly controversial. For instance, this link starts by saying:
    The Bell Curve is a controversial book published in 1994 by R. J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray exploring the role of intelligence in understanding social problems in America. The title is a reference to the bell-shaped graph of IQ scores (see normal distribution).
    The book is organized around the relationship of race and intelligence, suggesting that a "cognitive elite", a social stratum of persons with both high wealth and high intelligence, could emerge among whites, sealing themselves off from the rest of society. As part of this, they argued that blacks had lower IQ scores than whites and this disparity was caused by such genetic factors.
    While the book received a respectful hearing in the mainstream media, it was widely dismissed by scientists and some critics denounced the book and its authors as supporting scientific racism.
    I am not in any position to comment on the specific matter of U.S. board rooms.
     
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    >Except in a comparatively few cases, I don't know the ethnic origin of the various members of the Baptist Board.

    Seems to me awhile back pole in the pole section indicated around 95% white.


    > So I must say that I haven't noticed what you call "the 'Chinese/Japanese/Korean' side of the US 'minority' coin

    That was my point! They are never mentioned in the press as "minorities."

    > and the bad-mouthing of black people on the baptistboard.com.

    By inference and innuendo.

    > And I don't understand your leap from what you think happens here on the baptistboard.com to what appears or doesn't appear in the press, I assume the American press.

    OK, I was unclear.


    >And on a trivial matter, which coast is the "left coast"? I would have thought it depended on which way you were facing.

    Map of USA, North on top, left coast on left (west) side. In the US also refers to the left leaning population of the west coast.




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    >>Originally Posted by billwald
    >>BUT, AS YOU NOTE, the state of being "Baptist" is self selective and self designated. Out of all the 300 million assorted Americans, what causes some of them to designate themselves as Baptists? Is it cultural or DNA? Do Baptists have other social characteristics that can be statistically analyzed?


    >It is neither cultural nor DNA (unless things are completely different in the USA to what they are here). I am a baptist, yet I do not live in a culture which is baptistic, and although I have done some research into my family tree, I have not found a single ancestor who was a baptist. I am sure most baptists would say the same.

    The South Eastern states are called "The Bible Belt" because of the regional Baptist culture.

    >As for your question about other social characteristics of baptists, I would say no. Some baptists are rch, some poor; some are highly intelligent (not me!!!), and some are not; some are married, and some are single; some have children and some do not.....and so the list could go on.

    OK.

    >>Quote:
    >>Originally Posted by billwald
    >>It has been 15 or 20 years since I have read "The Bell Curve." One of the observations the book noted was that Fundamentalist Christians were statistically under represented in corporate board rooms and Episcopal Christians were over represented. Do people who self-select as a fundamentalist instinctively reject other human attitudes and associations which would move them up the corporate food chain - the human food chain?


    >I know what a bell curve is, but I have not come across the book. A search on the internet tells me that it is highly controversial. For instance, this link starts by saying:
    The Bell Curve is a controversial book published in 1994 by R. J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray exploring the role of intelligence in understanding social problems in America. The title is a reference to the bell-shaped graph of IQ scores (see normal distribution).

    True. I read it cover to cover and have a copy someplace.

    >The book is organized around the relationship of race and intelligence,

    FALSE. The reference to race was very short and toward the end. It could have and probably should have been omitted. The premise of the books would be the same.

    >suggesting that a "cognitive elite", a social stratum of persons with both high wealth and high intelligence, could emerge among whites, sealing themselves off from the rest of society.

    DID emerge, has existed for years.

    >As part of this, they argued that blacks had lower IQ scores than whites and this disparity was caused by such genetic factors.

    NOT correct. The thesis is that IQ is generally predictive of social success in 20th century USA. Only one short section
    was about race. The bulk was about IQ in general.

    >While the book received a respectful hearing in the mainstream media, it was widely dismissed by scientists and some critics denounced the book and its authors as supporting scientific racism.

    I did NOT read any criticism of the methodology, only of the conclusion of the very short "race" chapter.

    I try to make the point whenever possible that the press is continually mentioning the poor and oppressed black people and never about the superior (to white people) Chinese/Japanese/Korean Americans. White Americans can't tolerate the thought that anyone might be "better" then they (we) are and no one one is going to sell newspapers by reminding white people that they are becoming 2nd class citizens.

    No, it does not offend me that some other people are smarter, better educated, richer, or harder working than I am. I have more than I need or deserve.
     
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    Goodness, do you really believe that.....

    It is all nonsense anyway as Western Civilisation is in its decline, in 50 odd years and probably sooner Islam will have supplanted the West, IMHO.
     
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    In response to the original article, I believe the difference between the two cultures is based on the value of life. The Jewish culture places a high value on human worth & therefore seek to improve & honor that life. Islamic culture reflects a fundamental, systematic devaluation of human life.
     
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    The question is how much Hyperbole...

    The contrast made was that in a vain attempt at redemption european thought went to a tolerance that has allowed Islam to dictate and squelch a lot of True European Thought, Culture and Renaissance.

    As we see the state of Europe today... It's hard not to believe that it is at least dying in a sea of Islam, if not dead already?
     
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    any last thoughts on this
     
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    > which coast is the "left coast"

    In the northern hemisphere, most maps are oriented with north on the top and west on the left. Maps of Australia confuse me. <G>
     

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