It wasn't Bush, after all, it started with Clinton

Just what I need, more debt. I guess I'll get out the old checkbook. If they have the nerve to give us a bill like that, surely they'll take a check. :laugh:

 

"It" started before the American revolution. "It's" one of the reasons we fought a revolution.

 

First, I am not a guy who runs from debate. I have proved you wrong on several occasions.
Show me a link to this, because it is obviously not your work, and then I will address it. And then you can address the 17 attempts by Bush to reform FM&FM that I put up.

Deal ?

 

Never mind, it's wikipedia. And a little Heritage.org.

Can you copy & paste from there without permission ? You sure do it a lot.

Your entry does nothing to lay this at Bush's fault. In fact, I'm not sure what it shows. What does this have to do with Barney Frank refusing to co-operate with the 17 times Bush tried to reform them ? Where is Bush even mentioned ?

 

double post

 

Here's the tread where you didn't address one point in it, rather, you decided to ignore every point, and repeat an Olbermann.



http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=53361

 

Considering the Republican's had both houses for 6 of his 8 years, I would think you should explain his and McCain's inability to pass reform.

 

No I shouldn't. The link I provided tells it purdy much like it is. This is only to challenge the lie that Bush did nothing while this was going on.He was obstructed, by the same guy who wants to put all the blame on him, well, and sharing a little with Reagan.

 

It means that most of the failed subprime loans were originated during Bush's administration. What has failed is the oversight of this activity. There was none under Bush. Therefore, I give Bush the blame for being asleep at his watch and allowing this terrifically dangerous activity to occur without an effective response.

 

And you hold Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, & Chuck Schumer in no regard, guilty at all ?

 

This is not even close to the truth. The number of union jobs in this country is minuscule. Most of the jobs people have lost don't involve any union. Unions have been on the decline for decades.

 

It was the NHBA that pressured members of congress to block and attempt at reforming F.M. & F.M.. Any halt to these loans would have meant less unaffordable houses built.

You were gone when I showed this, and it got no responses that I would call serious debate, but maybe you will address it. Give me a bit.

 

Actually, it was Ps104_33 who started it....I just had some input. And the input's brilliance aside, I can't take credit for the thread.......



http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=53072

 

Care to back this up with some facts.

 

C'mom cut him some slack will ya. In order to be a good corporatist one has to preach against labor unions.

The economic Right likes corporatism for three different reasons:

1. It enables them to realize capitalist profits while unloading some of the costs and risks onto the state.
2. The ability to intertwine government and business enables them to shape government policy to their liking.
3. They believe the corporatist state can deliver social peace and minimize costly disruptions.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1289823&postcount=50

And of course being a good corporatist one must also deflect criticism away from the great leader and the corporatist state itself.

Like scapegoating the opposition. "It's all his fault".

The reality of the situation is that the private Federal Reserve banking system it's fiat currency along with the parasitical elite it enriches (at our expense) is the problem. Neither side wants to talk about this though for the reasons explored in another thread. The left and the right both love the corporate state.

So basically Clinton and Bush should share the blame equally because neither of them will ever be willing to tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And we should also share part of the blame as we seem to be more than willing to place our own political team's well being and it's efforts to gain more and more control over others above the truth.

 

1999 Article on Fannie Mae

Why do we look to the government to save us when it's their social re-engineering efforts that are the root cause of the problem?

 

A person's moral worth is judged by how much he sacrifices himself to the group. [Under collectivism] the more emergencies (and victims) the better, because they provide more opportunity for "virtue." SOURCE

 

My being suspicious of unions makes me a corporatist ?

It looks to me like the unions had a lot of power in this mess. I thought you were against things like special interests, & intimidation.

 

As a former union member and as one who has a father who has been a life long Union organizer I can say with all confidence that there is plenty of reason to be suspicious of unions.

 

See the OP.