It's Bush's Fault

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  1. carpro

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    Census report from 2001:
    So poverty has climbed from 11.3 percent in 2000 to over 12 percent under Bush. That is not good news.

    And to have 45.7 million people with no health insurance is certainly nothing to brag about. I am glad there was a decline, but that is still a lot of people whose health is in danger simply because they have no insurance. If you read government reports the majority are working class folk.

    If you want to see a longer trend go to: http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7570.pdf
     
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    How many of these new poor and/or uninsured people are illegal aliens?

    It would be interesting to see what the numbers are when just including citizens.
     
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    If they are willing to report and the employers are willing to report my guess is that none are illegal. If you were illegal would you talk? I don't think so.
     
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    That wasn't the question.
    I do wonder how many uninsured are illegals.
    and how many choose not to have insurance (as opposed to those who cannot afford insurance)

    and, where would I be counted. I am a Vet entitled to VA care. I pay no premiums or co-pay. So would I be considered un-insured?
     
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    Thank goodness he cant run for a third term:laugh:
     
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    The problem with simply citing the numbers is that it fails to consider that it is illegal in the US to deny medical care to anyone based upon their ability to pay (or inability to pay). So you see there are not "45.7 million people whose health is in danger simply because they have no insurance." Their "health" is not in danger. They can not be denied medical care. I know this first hand from experience.
     
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    I interviewed plenty of illegals when I worked the 2000 Census.:wavey:
     
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    Have you not read any articles recently about hospitals turning people away if they have no insurance? Or how they charge much higher fees for services rendered?

    http://cache.search.yahoo.net/searc...rn+turning+away&d=QilYHxg5RUVJ&icp=1&.intl=us


    http://cache.search.yahoo.net/searc...rn+turning+away&d=aBJHyxg5RTSW&icp=1&.intl=us

    You can find much more about this by searching the Net.
     
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    I found the following at the report linked in the OP

    "Real median income rose for native-born households for the second year, up 1.0 percent from 2006, to $50,946. For foreign-born households whose householder was not a U.S. citizen, income dropped by 7.3 percent to $37,637. For households maintained by a naturalized U.S. citizen, median income remained statistically unchanged at $52,092. "


    Income for native-born households up 1%
    Income for natuaralized U.S citizen households unchanged
    Foreign-born households not a U.S. citizen down 7.3%


    "An increase in poverty for U.S. noncitizens (from 19.0 percent in 2006 to 21.3 percent in 2007)"

    Poverty rate for non-citizens up 2.3%

    "Between 2006 and 2007, the uninsured rate for the native-born population declined from 13.2 percent in 2006 to 12.7 percent in 2007. Meanwhile, the percentage of the foreign-born population without insurance was statistically unchanged at 33.2 percent in 2007. Among the foreign-born population, the uninsured rate for naturalized U.S. citizens increased from16.4 percent in 2006 to 17.6 percent in 2007, while the uninsured rate for U.S. noncitizens was statistically unchanged from 2006, at 43.8 percent in 2007."

    Uninsured rate for native-born declined .5%
    Uninsured rate for U.S. noncitizens was 43.8%
    Uninsured rate for population overall was 11.7%


    Noncitizens are definitely skewing the numbers for the worse.
     
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    Yes. Michelle Obama created just such a program at the hospital where she works as a VP earning $315,000 a year.

    The new program ships the uninsured off to other medical centers. The doctors at those medical centers are complaining that those uninsured patients are being dumped on them.
     
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    The articles don't have any effect upon the fact that it is illegal to deny medical care to anyone based on their ability/inability to pay. I know this first hand from experience. There was a time when my wife and I did not have health insurance. She became very ill and I took her to the hospital. She received all the necessary medical care and I made payment arrangements with the hospital business office. I paid $25.00 per month for about four years. The hospital wrote off some of the expenses and the state of Virginia reimbursed the hospital for the remainder through some sort of State program.

    The picture is not as bad as you are trying to paint.
     
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    Will you please explain to me just how Clinton made us all richer, and how Bush has made us poorer? What did each of them do to cause this?

    How do you explain the decline in poverty in 2001 and the increase since? Is it related to the president? How? What has he done that has increased poverty?

    Have you ever heard of "free enterprise"? It means that the economy rises and falls of its own accord. Supply and demand? Just how did Clinton regulate the economy and just how does Bush do it different? Can the president manipulate supply and demand? And if so, why would he?

    I will hold off on my explaination until you have a chance to answer.

    AJ
     
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    You Ain't Gonna Like Losing -

    Every American should read this and understand that we aren't the good ol' USA that we used to be. God Bless our forefathers, and God Bless our vets.

    YOU AIN'T GONNA LIKE LOSING -

    Got this from a gentleman in his 80's (and a DEMOCRAT!) who actually lived thru those (and these) times. Agree or not, makes you stop and think.

    Everyone has a different opinion on the war and our current President. But this article probably makes sense to those who remember. Read it and give it some thought. What a difference 60+ years makes...!!!

    'You Ain't Gonna Like Losing.' Author unknown

    President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq. Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not.

    Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders.

    Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not. And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today.

    Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter - the people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war.

    Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort. Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition, trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed - yet there was very little complaining.

    You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.

    And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for our country and our troops!

    Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies. A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being 'tortured' by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.

    There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets.

    No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve.

    It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorrah and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.

    We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause. Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits.

    So...we either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing.

    America is not at war.
    The military is at war.
    America is at the mall.

    :tear: :tear: :tear:
     
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    This would be the same America that deprived it's black citizens of their civil rights and imprisoned thousands of innocent, loyal, patriotic, Japanese citizens?

    The good, old days had their own set of problems. Ignoring them did not make them go away.

    This particular line bothers me

    Today we have more freedom and liberty and the knowledge base to keep our leaders in check. We are a republic - we elect representatives, not dictators who can do whatever they want without being called into question.
     
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    Can you give me a link to the article. I would like to read it.
     
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    1. The economy was in much better shape.
    2. The stock market was very bullish during the Clinton years.
    3. The Federal budget was running a surplus the last year or two under Clinton.
    4. The economy is a mess now.
    5. The housing crisis was created, partly with gov. lack of oversight.
    6. We are now feared and hated around the world.
    7. The Federal budget is now running a huge deficit and morgaging our children and grandchildren's future.
    8 ............ the list could go on and on.

    It has not declined significantly...and the "poverty floor" has been raised.

    We do not have a true free enterprise system, else the gov. would not bail our the banks and brokerage houses, not would it subsidize farmers and many industries. Wait until the next president comes into office, does not matter who wins, there will be another huge infusement of federal dollars ... that you and I pay through taxes ... to the financial institutions. You and I are going to pay for their mistakes. That is not free enterprise.

     

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