James White answers DrAch

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  1. Grasshopper

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    And I answered James White to which he has YET to respond to!

    http://dorightchristians.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/response-to-james-white/

    My ORIGINAL post that White responded clearly stated that it could all be speculation and admittedly I did not have all the facts yet. So it's pretty easy to assume that one has a debate against a person who begins by admitting that their information may or may not be accurate or complete.

    But then once White responded, I responded back with a clear set of facts, a clear renunciation of White's errors, and the best response he could give was on his Twitter account "I thought I could have a meaningful debate with a KJV Onlyist". Yet he seemed to have no problem when he thought he "had me". Now that I've responded, the best the White camp can do is critique my definition of "apologeticist" and "apologist" and ignore the rest of the facts in my response, including Lumpkin's assertion of White's claim that he was a professor at Golden State Baptist when GSB denies it, and the attitude he showed toward his sister when she told him about their father molesting her.

    So I think you should get the entire picture first before YOU base your rhetoric on half the story :)

    ANd you're right about "child abuse" seems to run in his family while he turns a blind eye to it when his sister needed help.
     
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    Your entire article has nothing to do with the topic of KJVOism. What a defense! :laugh:
     
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    Wow Rippon! You finally said something I agree with! You're right. My article did NOT have anything to do with the KJVO, it never even started or ended that way. WHITE was the one made made it an issue merely because it is a KJVO website.

    So it should be "What an accusation" instead of "what a defense". :)
     
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    Peter Lumpkin as a source???:laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    It could have been worse, he could have come up with Craig Daliessio!
     
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    If you can explain and refute what Lumpkin pointed out, then go ahead and attack him as a source, I could care less. But, the evidence on the Columbia Evangelical Seminary website shows that White is a professor at Golden State, and not only does GS deny this, but White also says on his website that he will be invited to GS in the future of which GS stated they have no intentions to bring White on as a staff member.

    So try critiquing the information instead of the source. If you can prove the information is wrong, then critique the source all you want :)

    On second thought, if someone you think is a known liar, hypocrite, and false teacher tells you your house is on fire-just sit there because the source is obviously bogus.
     
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    You might want to listen again to the show. However, you Hyles types don't seem to let facts get in the way of your biased opinions.
    Once again your Hyles mind can't comprehend. To have general knowledge of alleged wrong doings at a ministry is not the same as having intimate details of what really happened. How or why should he comment without knowing what happened? Just because you do this doesn't mean he should.

    Are you seriously questioning White's work at Golden Gate? Are you really using the Calvinist hater Lumpkins as a credible source?*You are revealing much about yourself.

    Do you even know what a Debate is? Do you know what apologist call a debate and what message board*posters call a debate are two different things. No, a phone interview is not a formal debate unless your last name is Caner.

    Calvinist haters would rather join up with Catholics than honestly address an issue about a Calvinist. White has addressed this but is completely irrelevant to anything except of course for Catholics and Calvinist haters.

    Dude, you can't be serious. Listen again to the podcast, this time without your biases stuck in your ear.

    Why don't you call in to his podcast, butI won't hold my breath.
     
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    The fact is, it is difficult to copy and paste during a live debate.
     
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    Will address the Hyles issue at the end.
    Typical White response, isolate one part while ignoring the pattern of ignoring sexual abuse in his own family.


    Lumpkins wasn't the only source, the other source was Golden Gate's own website.

    Hunt was in studio with White. Regardless of whether it was studio or telephone, IT WAS A DEBATE. Playing semantics doesn't change the fact that James White denied ever having had any kind of debate with Hunt on this issue.

    Your logic on this is asinine.


    So in other words, because his sister is a Catholic, she's lying about being sexually abused. Typical cover up attitude I've seen from FAR too many Baptists.

    I don't have to JOIN anyone to point out that abuse is wrong. People like you are exactly the type of people that Jesus spoke of who passed by the injured man in the parable of the Good Samaritan.


    Now read the following articles I wrote about Hyles and Schaap, and then come back with your idiotic accusations.

    Jack Schaap Sentencing Memo: Deceiver From The Beginning

    Jack Schaap Sentenced To Twelve Years

    Jack Hyles Legacy: Fact or Fiction?

    The fact that you have no idea where I stand on Jack Hyles and Schaap is pretty hilarious that you resort to such an uninformed and ignorant slur which pretty much summarizes your credibility to critique anything else I say.
     
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    Like the copy and paste that DHK called you out on (the one where you didn't post the source of the artile)..
     
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    Yes I did. Evidentially neither of you read my post. This thread tells much about you.
     
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    You mean the article on faith?
    I dissected that article statement by statement, demonstrating that faith could not be a gift given to the unsaved. Then, by your one statement, it seemed as if you hadn't even read the article on faith that you had actually posted.
     
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    Isn't it though? That never stops the faux-Dr. When you are shameless you have no boundaries. Dr. White refuted the faux-Dr's libelous accusation (Dr. White never debated Ergun Caner), as well as giving him a grammar and syntax lesson.
     
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    James, you had no right to discuss this matter with White. There is no Scriptural warrant that you interfere. You are not part of the local assembly, you were not part of the family, and you are not privy to private conversations between family members other than the record given by the sister.

    You followed NO Scripture principal when you spoke to him about the matter, and then to bring it to the public of the BB is a HUGE violation of Scripture.

    I am not defending White nor the sister, but I will point to the sister's testimony that states that she did not know if James even knew or not, and that when he was told by her, apparently responded to her as someone who had already a history of rebellion - therefore perhaps not taking the allegations seriously.

    If there is any further contact between you and White, I suggest that you humbly ask for his apology for bringing up matters that were none of your concern and interfering with the family dynamics in which you are totally a stranger.
     
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    Yes Herald someone with an anti-cal agenda is not concerned with truth but becomes a cowardly and shameless accuser of the brethren.For Ach to post such evil things when Dr. White is not here to speak directly to such lies is horrendous.

    Grasshopper...thanks for posting this and further exposing Ach even though we see what he is about with his plagiarism and other antics.
    I did not contact Dr.White with Ach's nonsense as he is busy and I did not want to waste his time responding to such garbage, Ach cannot get past anyone in here much less Dr. White.

    retract,apologize,and retreat......:thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    And yet you and every other Calvinist on here slander Non Calvinists who are not on this board to defend themselves. The double-standards of the Calvinists here is astounding.

    Did James White contact Ergun Caner before he plastered his allegations all over the internet? No, he didn't. If we are going to act all pious here, then let's see the Calvinists call out James White for not following Matthew 18 before calling Caner out. Oh but wait, Calvinists only harp on Arminians and Non Calvinists.
     

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