I was practicing my `confrontational style' of witnessing a few days ago with a couple of practicing catholics. We bounced from topic to topic. At one point I asked: why did Jesus die? (it is surprising how many different answers you can get with this one question) Their answers included: for the forgiveness of sins and they even mentioned the `a' word (atonement). No argument here... As the discussion progressed (about 4 `show me where it says that in the Bible's later), one of them, getting a little flustered with me, said: All I know is when I die, I'm going to purgatory ...and then she explained how she was going to earn her way out. To that I replied: "Then Jesus didn't do a good job!" If Jesus suffered and died on the cross to forgive us and pay the penalty for our sins (and you actually believe that), than what more can you do?