Jesus Died For ALL our sins, so what does refusal to confess Do?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Since jesus died to apy for, atone for all my sins ever wer to commit, if i refuse toconfess/repent, God never changes His view/love/acceptance of me, its that I can no longer enjoy/rest in my salvation until fellowship restored, correct?
     
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    There are some who believe that Jesus died for all men, but that He came to redeem those who would believe. In this model, there is a general atonement - but not a general redemption; there is a general call, but it is differentiated from the effectual call. All have the opportunity and all "can" come, but only those who will believe will come.

    This of course does not work if one holds that Jesus effected a cancellation of our sins at His death (if His death was an expiation of human sin accepted at the moment of His death). If this is the case, then it has to apply solely to the elect...but then salvation is solely contained in the death of Christ (the elect are born righteous) and terms like sanctification (as a process) and belief (as necessary for salvation) are not relevant to salvation.
     
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    I do believe that if one is truly saved, the question is a moot point. If a Christian sins, the greatest desire in him or her is to restore a relationship with the Lord, therefore there is confession and restoration. I suppose one could say yes, all my sins are forgiven regardless, and confession as time goes along maintains my relationship with the Lord.

    The bottom line is, a true Christian confesses when he or she sins. It is kind of like a sign of being saved. One does not have to be baptized to be saved, but what true Christian would not follow the Lord's command to make a point. "Do not put the Lord to the test." Or, as James says in so many words, a salvation experience followed by fifty years of sitting on a pew does not mean one is lost, but the natural course of events is for a Christian to want to serve the Lord to the best of their ability.

    No, baptism, confession, and good works do not save, but it says quite a bit about the original salvation encounter.
     
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    ....what does 'coness' mean?
     
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    It is the female date of a cone head.
     
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    is that view same as the one that states Jesus died for sins of all sinners, paid their sin debt in full, but God requires faith to have sinners acces that grace, and he choses to whom he shall grant faith to believe?
     
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    Translate that into English and I may attempt to answer you.
     
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    A female con???
     
  9. Judith

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    No, it means the person is not saved. No repentance, no salvation. We are not told to confess sin to be saved.
     
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    For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:13)
    ...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:9,10)
     
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    No. It's the one that claims Christ is the propitiation for the sins of all mankind, but that salvation is the grace of God through faith to those who believe. It does not use the "debt ledger system" in that contest (atonement apart from faith). This view is also closer to what I believe. I don’t think that one can break down the elements of Salvation and pick one and claim that “this is what saved us.” We are saved by God’s grace, and Atonement is vital to our salvation but Christ’s death is not the only aspect of our salvation.
     
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    Do you believe that is literal and there is no other way?
     
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    And to that I would like to add:

    But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)
     
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    So the calvinist would state here that the Lord grants the haith required to receive jesus, while mon cal would see the grace applied towards whosoever wills to receive it?
     
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    No, but we ARE told to profess and confess our sins to God when we do them, as that does NOT affect salvation in the sense of no longer saved, but does muck up our fellowship with God!
     
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    First that has nothing to do with the OP question. Second do I assume that you believe it is possible to be saved and unforgiven at the same time, correct? Where does the bible teach that?
     
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    I believe that faith unto salvation is the grace of God, those who have this faith will be saved. I’d say that Calvinists do believe that God grants to those who will believe the faith for that belief. Reformation Arminianism also believes the same in terms of that grace – that God grants the elect the faith to believe – but the elect are those God foreknows will believe (so it is very different). I am not sure that Wesleyan Arminianism holds the same, those I know who are free-will Baptists believe that God grants the faith to believe as common grace and then it’s up to the individual.
     
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    Not sure what you mean? Do you wish to suggest that there is any other "path" to salvation other than Christ?.....NO, if that is what you are asking.
     
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    No, rather that one can be saved, but also if we refuse to repent/confess/forsake known sinning, can jam up our fellowship between us and God!

    we are in ternal relationship with God, that will never get brokem but our fellowship with him can and does when we harbor and refuse to deal with known sins!

    That is us moving away from God, not him from us!
     
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    So its the basis of the salvation that seperates...

    Calvinists see it as God election based Himdeterming freely just whom will get saved, while others see it as God electing those who choose to get saved!
     

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