Jesus Had His Hands Tied

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  1. HAMel

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    I never realized this before but did you know there was a time when our Lord's hands were tied? Tied such that He could do absolutely nothing?

    Take a look at Mark, 6:5. "And he could there do no mighty work, save (except) that he laid his hand upon a few sick folks, and healed them."

    The majority in attendance at that gathering were so offended in (by) Him, (verse 3), "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary...?" They made reference to Him as being a lowly carpenter? Last week you were repairing broken plow handles and this week you are providing us with wisdom? The nerve of this guy! Who allowed this boy in here to begin with? Someone throw him out. I wonder how Mary felt realizing her entire community had no respect for her seeing as how she came of child before marriage?

    In an earlier Gospel Jesus is referred to as the Son of Joseph. By Mark they have now decided Jesus is the illigetimate child of Mary! As Jesus had walked in that community for 30 years it all boils down to, familiarity breeds contempt.

    The minority in attendance however went home completely healed.

    By verse 2, in part, "...From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wroght by his hands?"

    Verse 4, "A prophet is not without honor but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house." How true. How many of you folks out there are referred to as, Pastor Smith? Or, Reverend Smith? Or Deacon Smith? Now, how does your parents refer to you at home? Probably by your first name.

    This Word of God is so exciting. The hands of Jesus were tied that night and He could do nothing. They totally and completely rejected Him. I wonder what's going through the minds of these scoffers right now as they continue to fall in that bottomless pit?
     
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    An interesting interpretation. I say that because by what you are saying sounds like even though the there was the immediate possibility he could to the miracles and He wanted to He was kept from doing them because those there did not believe.

    If that is what you are suggesting I don't agree. Here is the reason. Jesus most times did things in the mist of unbelief. Unbelief does not stop the power of God from working if He desires to do so. Just look at the time that the Lord raised the dead son of the widow. There is no evidence that anyone believed or even sought Him out for the miracle.

    What was happening in this event that is mentioned in scripture is that because of unbelief not many came to Him seeking for a miracle or not so because of that he could not do many things. There was no people coming to Him for anything not even curiosity. Unbelief keeps people away and that was the problem, not that there was crowds attending and He was not able to do miracles because of their unbelief.
     
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    My family is to refer to me as "ArchCardinal Sensei Brian the First" since I'm a humble man.

    But seriously, I wonder what a "great work" is? I mean, if I were one of the few that DID get healed, I know I'd consider it "great".

    Can we get a Greek reading person to tell us what "could" and "great works" mean?
     
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    In this case the Greek it is not going to give you any profound answers. The Greek word is "dynamis" and can mean just miricles. In other words He could do nothing that would be considered supernatural.
     
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    If that is what you are suggesting I don't agree.

    How did I know you were going to "disagree"?

    At that particular time Jesus could have spoken a word and they all could have died right there on the spot.

    Jesus spoke then as he does now. He offers his Salvation to all who will. He was certainly not helpless at that gathering. They just flat rejected him, called him names and told Him to hit the road. Being the gentleman He is..., he left. He only offered to those who believed and He healed them.

    Previously, the crowd lurched forward so as to take him out and stone Him but he passed in the "midst of them". The unbelief that day tied the hands of Jesus just as it does today.
     
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    They did not bring the sick to Him. They ignored the carpenter. How much belief did the dead have that He raised? Jesus was surrounded by unbelief constantly and it never effected His power to heal.
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Noncalvinists see a bound and weak christ. Calvinists see an almighty God, a Liberator, One who breaks bonds, not one who is subject to them.

    Knowing God precludes the interpretation of the OP.
     
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    ...some of you folks are weird.
     
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    Thank you very much....
     
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    In His kenosis (Philippians 2) Jesus (the Logos) willingly lowered Himself to servanthood and as such did only what the Father allowed:

    John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.​

    Philippians 2
    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.​

    If His hands were tied then the Father tied them.

    HankD
     
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    What good is an Almighty Christ, when man wishes to be the center of attention and his own ruler?

    What good, indeed... Lord, King, Redeemer, Savior, Sovereign Ruler of all Creation, Author and Finisher of Faith, the Bridegroom, Firstborn of all Creation, Alpha, Omega, All in All, the Great Shepherd, God's Son. Bow down and worship Him!
     
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    Some of you posters here are trying to make this something other than it is.

    Here is the Creator of the Universe and everything in it standing before a group of His own Creation who exercised their free will and totally rejected Him.

    His hands were tied because of their unbelief. Not because our Lord was weak..., or unable..., or was having a bad day, they just didn't believe in Him.

    Consequently, He had nothing more to offer them than Himself. To the few who did believe in Him, He healed them..., just as He did me back in 1972.

    In summary however, His hand were tied because of their unbelief. That's the only point I'm trying to make here.
     
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    The sick person's healing did not depend on their own belief. Sometimes their faith helped but it was not the sticking point. It was the faith of Jesus. How much belief did Lazarus have before being raised from the dead? The blind man at the pool did not even know who healed him til after so his belief did not matter. Saying that an unbelievers unbelief stopped Jesus' healing power put's Jesus in a strange position. Do you think that He told the crowds He was going to make 5000 loaves of bread to feed them if they would only believe? His hands were not tied, they did not bring Him the sick so He could do nothing yet the power was there.
     
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    Well said!

    I would argue that most, if not virtually all, of those Jesus healed had no concept whatsoever that he was The Christ of God. They just thought He was a miracle-working rabbi who was particularly effective.

    A better argument is that God did not ordain for Jesus' powers to be effective in that area because of the sin of the people. Note the subject of my sentence is God, not "the people." That is the way it is always expressed in the Scriptures as well (at least in the original languages).
     
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    You are surely well educated and probably even have a decent knowledge of the Greek language, but I am sorry, I will take the Word of God over even your translation.

    I believe our unbelief prevents our receiving from God all He has for us.
     
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    Nah. It can't be that simple. I mean just because the bible says so, doesn't mean it's really so. You need some notable theologians (from the long ago past only) to confirm that. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Robert Snow

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    I will wait for Luke2427 to let us know exactly what God is saying. Perhaps he is digging through mounds of theological texts and checking the original meaning of the Greek. I'm sure he will set us all straight soon enough. :laugh:
     
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    Okay Robert... Playing by your rules, which comes first, the inability of Jesus to do great works or the mention of the unbelief of the people?

    Are you completely sure that there is an exegetical cause and effect clause happening between those two verses?

    Please do take the Word of God, but stop rearranging it to suit your own purpose.

    The reason I mentioned the original language is that, in part, the sentence structure is very unlike the English. What may be multiple sentences in English may be all one sentence in the original language. Some of Paul's sentences run to multiple pages, and as such sorting out subject, verb, etc., is often difficult without a proper diagram where each word in the entire sentence is studied grammatically and placed in absolutely proper order and importance. There is a reason in the Scriptures that something precedes something else. It is that way because that is what God intended for us to know, and He inspired writers to write sentences in a hierarchy whereby the subject may be other than an English proof-text.
     
  20. Robert Snow

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    You are probably correct, but I only know English. If indeed the KJV is incorrect, then it has been incorrect for hundreds of years and God evidently saw no reason to change it.

    Here it is in the ESV, a favorite among Calvinists (I am also fond of this version).

    BTW, I am not saying that God could not work if He desired, just that He has chosen not to work in these instances.

    Let me add: Thank you for your input. I know you are trying to be helpful.
     

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