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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by revmwc, Mar 1, 2016.

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  1. TCassidy

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    Like you. Had he been as good as you at being humble he would have earned his salvation just like you did?
     
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    Uh, which is greater; 10 or 0?

    You were humble, he wasn't. Therefore you earned your salvation and he didn't?
     
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    Had he humbled himself and admitted just how totally depraved he was he would be saved. I was not good I just came to God in humility. no matter how much you try to twist the facts scripture is very clear about the one who comes in humility,
    Psalms 34:18     The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
    Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
    Isaiah 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

    no unbeliever has ever come to Him that way in fact they are proud and think they are okay because they have done good things. We can do no good we can only come to Him admitting we are a sinner in need of the Salvation HE has to offer and that is being humble.
     
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    No my salvation was the gift of God because I came to Him as the Spirit and the Bride said Come and I came humbly before Him knowing I had no good thing in me just as the publican came humbly.

    It would appear by your thinking the publican left unsaved because he came humbly to God,
    We see this in Luke 18:

    13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
    14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

    Clearly the publican humbled himself and was exalted where the Pharisee came in his pride with no humility, if 10 or 0 then the Pharisee had 0 humility and the publican 10, Which came away justified?
     
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    "I came" "I came." So your salvation is about what you did? Your own good works of coming?
     
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    You've got him by the short hairs, Bro. TC.
     
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    So, what caused you to humble yourself when others do not?

    Was your heart not as hard?
    Was your eyes not as blind?
    Was your ears not as deaf?
    Was your perception a little keener?

    Surely there was something that made you humbled when others would not bow before Him.

    Now, what was it?
     
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    It's like banging my head against the wall but I hope and pray that he will see that his salvation was not based on what he did or what he is, but on the finished word of Christ on the cross.

    He keeps saying he believes that but when confronted with it he keeps going back to what he did or what he was. :(
     
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    If he truly looks at my questions I asked him from an introspective(if that's even a word??) point of view, he'd see his ideology focuses on what man did, and not what God did, in man's salvation.
     
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    The same thing that caused you too!
     
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    Well, tell me what it was. Surely your heart was not as hardened as others, your ears not as dull of hearing, your eyes not as blinded, your persception a little keener.

    So, what exactly made you humbled and others not.
     
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    Matthew 5:8 the pure in heart and Mark 2:8 God gave man a heart to reason with that is He gave man volition
     
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    How does that answer his question? You're saying your heart was pure, and that is why?
     
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    What did you do to purify your heart?
     
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    I would say this is all hard to believe but after being on here it's the norm. Concerning the allusion to Matthew 5:8 as the reason that one 'chose' God and another didn't, my wife just said 'Wrong and Wronger' (kind of like the movie with Jim Carey titled something else, only nicer). :)

    I am so thankful my wife sees this error!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Zechariah 7:11-13 makes it clear some will harden their hearts toward God while Proverbs 22:11 show how others have a pure heart
     
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    So your heart was pure and that is why you chose?
     
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    I also want, for the record, to note that you are taking two passages out of context and are melding them together to establish your ideology. It is NOT adhering to 2 Timothy 2:15.
     
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    I'd say it is more than "equally important." The doctrine of the extent of the atonement only works if specific presuppositions regarding the nature and purpose of the atonement, along with the nature of sin (e.g., is Scripture speaking on sins as being ontological to mankind or as acts of transgression/sin) in place. Otherwise "for whom did Christ die" is a nonsensical question and people just talk past each other.
     
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    Unconditional election? Amen! Now we are getting somewhere!
     
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