Ok, so that was trolling a little bit, John 17 The "High Priestly Prayer" or whatever you happen to call it 1b-3 "Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." Pretty clear teaching of the sovereignty of God in salvation. I see some elements of Election and Limited atonement in that one statement. This is merely one example of the clear scriptural teaching of God having complete sovereign control over the salvation of mankind What do you think this verse means?