Jesus's Humanity

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  1. KenH

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    I don't know if this has been talked about on any of the myriad of threads on the film, "The Passion of the Christ", but I have heard twice today people mention that the brutality that Jesus suffered proves that He is God since no ordinary person could have gone through what He suffered.

    Now, to me, this strikes at the very heart of the Bible's teaching that Jesus was fully human and fully God. It sounds like people are saying that Jesus used His Godhood to handle more physical punishment than an ordinary person could.

    I am not blaming the film for this but I think it shows the lack of solid theological foundation that many Christians lack, and shows a danger that they do not understand the manhood of Jesus.

    Am I correct or off-base on this?
     
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    The Lord Jesus was, at the same time all God, and all man. Being all man He suffered just as any of us would have suffered. He took the punishment that we deserved (Isaiah 53.) To say, as I believe these are saying, that His divinity gave Him some sort of medicating affect is heresy.
    He knew everything that He was going to face. Would He have gone through all that agony in the garden, even to the point of blood, if He knew it was going to be (as we say today) a cakewalk?
     
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    I really don't know, Ken! The word says that Jesus' visage was marred above every man---but here's the take---people see the movie, they see Hollywood actors--then they need to ask, "To what extent/degree does the physical torture measure up to scripture?"----the flick, in my honest opinion---goes beyond what scripture reveals concerning the degree of actual suffering.

    See, what people don't realize is---the Romans probably knew to what extent they could bring the torture to the average sufferer without them passing out under the strain---and they would keep it at that level---not allowing their victom the glory of passing out into unconscienceness and physical shock. I believe they brought Jesus to a point physcially--to where they controlled the extent of torture---I could be wrong here---because scripture is silent as to the level that the Romans brought Him to---what folks see in the film is the level that Gibson believes the Roman's brought him to.
     
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    What people view in the film is the level of torture which the nun mystic Catherine Emmerch saw in her vision, not what was Biblical or historical.
     
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    Jesus was fully human, fully God. A movie does not change that. While it may deepen the mystery of the incarnation, the brutality of the movie does not change the nature of the Jesus Christ eartly life and ministry.
     
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    So, historically and Biblically, did Jesus suffer more or less than the film indicated?

    Knowing what Scripture says about how He was unable to be recognized, I believe that the suffering depicted in the movie is not as great as it truly was. But that is my opinion.

    God bless!
     
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    I fear too many will get their new beliefs from this film. I've heard so many say well it could have been, or the certain person not in scripture but in RCC teachings some have said well maybe she did exist we don't know. Yes thats the point we don't know, and since scripture doesn't tell us, we should not believe it.
    Jesus in the flesh was fully human, he was hungry, sad, cold, and felt pain just like we do. His beating would have been no more then any other man could have endured without dying before crucifixion. What some fail to see is that Jesus truest suffering was spiritual, His separation from God
    "My God, My God, why have YOU Forsaken Me"
     
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    Donna I agree completely about the danger of using the "Passion" as a source for doing theology. Way to many folks get their theology influenced from what they hear on the radio, or see on TV or see in theater.
     
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    Isa 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

    EVERYTHING Jesus did while in His human body, He did as a man, using NONE of His attributes as God.
     
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    Ken, I can see your point and you do have a good point, I fully believe Jesus's humanity was a big part in his suffering.

    Donna, I can't agree with you, most people going to see this movie are not going to look at it theoloically, they aren't sitting there saying..hmm they gave Jesus one too many lashings than the bible actually says, they are more than likely shocked to see those lashings.
     
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    If they are going to say there is nothing biblically wrong with the movie, then they should be examining it. But becasue they did not they have declared there is nothing wrong with the movie, they have accepted RCC false doctrines as biblical.
     
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    donna, i'm talking about most folks who aren't even christians, why would it matter to them if it's totally correct and honestly it shouldn't matter to them right away. that's like saying an infant should care about knowing their abc's, and not even worry about attempting to crawl or walk first. step by step.
     
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    So when a person is first introduced to something claiming to be scriptural(assuming they have little or no knowledge of Scripture) then does it not matter if what they are told is scripture isn't? It may not matter to non Christians if what they are thinking is scripture is not, but it should to us. If your loved one was no saved would you want a JW witnessing to them? After all it doesn't matter if it's only a little correct.
    The world doesn't like scripture as it is, they want to remake it till very little thats correct, we as Christians need to stand for the truth of scripture, and nothing less, accepting error is compromise.
     
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    Donna, The fact is..this movie IS based upon a scriptural event and there is scripture revealing truth in it as well. One should care if nothing about it is scriptural and there are claims made saying it's a true to life movie, but that isn't the case. There is very powerful truths in the movie and THAT is what will draw someone to look deeper into it. This movie is not totally in error and it most certainly does plant a seed by not only the story but the scripture present as well.
     
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    Yeah. Some of them, if not all, were probably thinking of other brutal films while they were there in that moviehouse. Like the 80's film, "Killing Fields" ?

    We got a call from a nephew a week ago. Oh, yeah, he told us to see the movie, how it broke his heart, how he realized Christ suffered so much for mankind's sins (popular theology, if not purely Catholic), how so much tears poured out of his eyes and his wife's.

    Well, no mention of going to church to learn more of this Jesus he thought he was seeing on the screen.

    After all the emotion have subsided, it's back to the old ways.
     
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    Unfortunately, too true! No doubt there will be some who will be converted, and/or develop a hunger for more truth, but probably, just like 9/11, the majority will regress to their "ho-hum" attitudes toward Christ once time "mellows" their emotions! Sad, sad!!
     

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