Jewish, Hebrew, and Israelite?

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  1. ChurchBoy

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    What is the difference between a Jew, a Hebrew, and an Israelite?
     
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    Jew is the nickname given to the people of Judah after the northern tribes were destroyed by the Syrians.

    Hebrew - is the name given to the people of Abrahm the children of Heber. This includes Abraham and Lot and their descendants. So for example - Esau is a Hebrew so also the Edomites and the Moabites.

    Israelite refers to the children of Jacob who was called "Israel".

    In Christ,

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    An Israelite lives in Israel. Hebrew describes the descends of Abraham and that other dude. The word Jew *technically* only refers to descendents of the tribe of Judah and umm, that other one (am I hurting more than helping yet?) but today is used to broadly describe those of Hebrew descent and/or faith.
    So you can be an Israelite and not be a Jew. You can be a Hebrew and not be an Israelite. You can eat latkas and not be a Jew, but if you eat gefilte fish you're just plain wrong no matter what...
    Got it? [​IMG]
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    "Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." 1980 Jewish Almanac.

    Big Difference in Laguage and in Culture.

    Hebrews are Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Noah, Jacob.

    Israelite includes the 12 Tribes of Jacob (Israel), which EXCLUDES Abraham, Lot, Isaac, and Noah.

    Jews are Citizen of Judea, and are Edomites as well.

    Those today in Israel are Not Israelites, but Israeli.

    "The primary meaning of Ashkenaz and Ashkenazim in Hebrew is Germany and Germans. This may be due to the fact that the home of the ancient ancestors of the Germans is Media, which is the Biblical Ashkenaz...Krauss is of the opinion that in the early medieval ages the Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim... About 92 percent of all Jews or approximately 14,500,000 are Ashkenazim." The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia.

    The modern-day Jews are not Shemites (semites) as from the tribe of Shem, but are Japethites as from the Tribe Japeth, which are Mongolian Europeans:

    Genesis 10:1-3
    1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah , Shem, Ham, and Japheth : and unto them were sons born after the flood.
    2 The sons of Japheth ; Gomer , and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
    3 And the sons of Gomer ; Ashkenaz , and Riphath, and Togarmah.

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    Israeli/Israelite...didn't catch the wording until I read that post!
    My goodness, talk about a lot of confusing terms!
     
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    Let me explain it to you like I would a 2nd grader.

    Israeli = Anyone living in Israel under Israels citizenzship.

    Israelite = Descendants from the Tribes of Jacob. A bloodline connection.

    I hope that help to unconfuse you.

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    Latkes...delicious.

    Gefilte fish...just plain ole nasty. Please tell me you have never tried this.

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    Latkes...delicious.

    Gefilte fish...just plain ole nasty. Please tell me you have never tried this.

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    </font>[/QUOTE]JB, on a serious note, do you have any definitions for Churchboy?

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    Let me explain it to you like I would a 2nd grader.

    Israeli = Anyone living in Israel under Israels citizenzship.

    Israelite = Descendants from the Tribes of Jacob. A bloodline connection.

    I hope that help to unconfuse you.

    Ron
    </font>[/QUOTE]A little bit. But what about the tribes beside Jacob? And who is Israel?
    And what if an Israelite Jew moves from Israel to the US? What if he was a Christian BEFORE he moved? What if he converted to Judaism afterwards?
    Ok, I'm done now...

    Joseph...my grandfather kept a CONSTANT supply of gefilte fish! I remember liking it. I got all nostalgic when I was about 19, remembering how he also used to have it and we'd eat it, so I bought some and quickly realized that's probably what killed the poor guy!
    EW
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    Let me explain it to you like I would a 2nd grader.

    Israeli = Anyone living in Israel under Israels citizenzship.

    Israelite = Descendants from the Tribes of Jacob. A bloodline connection.

    I hope that help to unconfuse you.

    Ron
    </font>[/QUOTE]A little bit. But what about the tribes beside Jacob? And who is Israel?
    And what if an Israelite Jew moves from Israel to the US? What if he was a Christian BEFORE he moved? What if he converted to Judaism afterwards?
    Ok, I'm done now...

    Joseph...my grandfather kept a CONSTANT supply of gefilte fish! I remember liking it. I got all nostalgic when I was about 19, remembering how he also used to have it and we'd eat it, so I bought some and quickly realized that's probably what killed the poor guy!
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    </font>[/QUOTE]Umm, Gina,

    There are no more Israelites (which should answer all your questions!). Even the historical books of the Modern day Jews clearly state that to be so. They were all converted and have no Blood line to the Sons of Jacob (Israel), UNDISPUTEDLY!

    Israel is Jacob, and Jacob's name was changed to Israel, and Israel was NOT changed to JEW!

    The Bible clearly states who they are and where they came from. I have all the Jewish encyclopedias and references. And I also have other available resources here in Washington, DC at the Jewish community center, I'm just down the street from it an spend a lot of time there.

    It is funny how Christian try to make excuse or reason out of the facts that the Modern-day Jews have them fooled believing that they are chosen and from have a bloodline to Israel (Jacob), while while being antiChristian.

    I don't understand why Christians say that the Jews are wrong about themselves.They say they don't have a bloodline, so why do you Christians Believe what was written, and what they have in abundence in their Libraries? Now that's confusing!

    Ron.

    [ December 23, 2004, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: Ronald H. ]
     
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    My wife's boss loves the stuff. Yuck. That is just gross. I am happy to say that there are some lines I just won't cross and happily, that is one of them.

    [​IMG]

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    Well done Ron, you've done some serious studying.
    Most of the Jews today in Israel are converts that have no ancestral roots to Israel. I'm surprised you did not mention the Khazar Jews, I guess they are the Mongolians you mentioned. One problem is this:
    Rev. 7 mentions 144,000 servants from "all the tribes of Israel." Regardless of what function these Israelites served in the future they are descendents of Jacob. What's your take on this?
     
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    They don't have a bloodline? I'm glad you told me! I'd have never guessed.
    So I'm still confused. You're not an Israelite if you live in Israel?
    Gina
     
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    No you are NOT and Israelite if you live in Israel, YOU ARE AN ISRAELI. The "TE" is missing, do you see that.

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    Rev. 7 mentions 144,000 servants from "all the tribes of Israel." Regardless of what function these Israelites served in the future they are descendents of Jacob. What's your take on this? </font>[/QUOTE]I do not like to overload people that do not study. I found that it was important to me before I bacame a Christian, to know why God prefered some over the other. This is the big myth, that has flooded the Theological Semetaries form the beginning! So I had to know I read Romans 11, and found out that what is that everyone were quoting was false. Now once I got that figured out, and showed the proof for it, I wanted to find out who they really were, and boy it was shocking. I found impostors!

    My take on the 144,000 is that they are of Spiritual Israel. Remember if you be Christ you are Abrahams seed and hiers to the Promise! See that Seed is not of many, so Jacobs israel does not count, although their are a few left, but these people are Ethiopians, those from Southern Arabia and Somolia. NO Khazaric Europeans or Israeli's, American white skinned people or those in the Middle east (Arabs), QUALIFIES!

    So it clearly states that these saints will be Virgins, and are not currpted by Satan or the spirit of AntiChrist.

    I think it is symbolic (Israel) because Eesho M'sheekha was the prophet that came like Moses, and he had 12 to represent the 12 tribes of Israel. Notice that he did not choose 1 each from 12 different tribes, there was a cannanite there also. I think the same will be for the future as well, because the Promise was given to his SEED, meaning ONE and that is Eesho, and Like the book states, if you be in M'sheekha, then you are Abrahams Seed and heirs to the Promise! So in other words they could be from all over the world, but they do have some Characteristics that make then stand out, and Israel is not one of them.

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    No you are NOT and Israelite if you live in Israel, YOU ARE AN ISRAELI. The "TE" is missing, do you see that.

    Ron.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Except for the caustic, unnecessary remark at the very end, Ron is correct on this one.
     
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    No you are NOT and Israelite if you live in Israel, YOU ARE AN ISRAELI. The "TE" is missing, do you see that.

    Ron.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Except for the caustic, unnecessary remark at the very end, Ron is correct on this one.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry for the ending CK4. I'm taking notes on what's accepted. Thanks!

    Ron
     
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    It's ok on this one C4K, I shouldn't mess with people...he's been being harsh with me since he joined so I figured I'd push him a bit...sorry Ron!
    Gina
     
  19. liebeskind

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    It's not your fault Gina!

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    Wow! Lots of great information. I learned a lot. This is why BB is one of my favorite christian forums, even though I'm not a Baptist.

    Thank you everyone!

    A brother in Christ.

    ChurchBoy
     

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