Jewish sensitivities

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Which of these statements do you agree with?

  1. There is nothing wrong with saying Jews have money and power; they [i]do[/i]

    7 vote(s)
    20.6%
  2. Jews predominantly “run” professional sports and/or other facets of the entertainment business

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  3. Jews do have disproportionate business success, but this should not be publically stated

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. It is [i]not true[/i] that Jews have disproportionately substantial money and power

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  5. Jews are “crafty”

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  6. Jewish success is because they [i]had[/i] to learn to make profitable business to live

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  7. Jews tend to be overly sensitive to being talked about by others in either positive or negative ways

    8 vote(s)
    23.5%
  8. [i]Zionism is racism[/i]—the Jews support resettling an ancient homeland [i]only for themselves[/i]

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  9. As "chosen people,” Jews are entitled to power in the world at the expense of the ‘non-chosen’

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  10. I can not vote agreement with any of the above statements

    18 vote(s)
    52.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Alcott

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    This poll is about one dimension of dealing with modern sensitivities.

    Michael Ray Richardson, coach of the Albany Patroons of the Contintental Basketball Association, has been suspended from coaching in a playoff series after he was quoted in the Albany Times Union as saying he had “big-time Jew lawyers” working for him. Then he went on to speak further about Jewish people and their business success, perhaps meant to be complimentary, but taken as anti-Semitic:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/wires/03/28/2030.ap.bko.cba.richardson.suspended.1st.ld.writethru.0448/index.html

    "They got a lot of power in this world, you know what I mean? Which I think is great,'' Richardson told The Times Union on Tuesday. "I don't think there's nothing wrong with it. If you look in most professional sports, they're run by Jewish people. If you look at a lot of most successful corporations and stuff, more businesses, they're run by Jewish. It's not a knock, but they are some crafty people.''

    The team denounced his remarks and suspended him, and the league is looking into this to consider further action against him.

    Which of these statements, by Richardson, or in similarity thereto in regard to Jewish people, or any minorities if applicabale, do you agree with?
     
  2. Rufus_1611

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    Let's see... if one agrees with the pro-semitic comments then it would appear that this is considered anti-semitic. If one disagrees with the pro-semitic comments then they certainly become anti-semitic comments, in which case he's an anti-semite...I believe Treker nerds would call this a Kobayashi Maru.
     
  3. Bro. James Reed

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    Or, for us Earthlings, a catch 22.

    I didn't know until I read your post that I knew Klingon.:thumbs:

    btw, I don't agree with any of the statements, many because of ignorance to the numbers and percentages on the questiosn asked. I have no idea how many sports teams are owned by Jewish people.:confused:
     
  4. Rufus_1611

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    You still don't (it's Japanese). ;)
     
  5. tinytim

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    Now this is Klingon...
    Gen 15:18 | Daq vetlh jaj joH'a' chenmoHta'
    a lay' tlhej Abram, ja'ta', “ Daq
    lIj tIr jIH ghaj nobpu' vam puH,
    vo' the bIQtIQ vo' Egypt Daq the
    Dun

    http://klv.mrklingon.org/

    Or translated into English...
    Genesis 15:18
    (18)
    In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

    So as you can see, I believe God gave the land to the Jews.
     
  6. Jon-Marc

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    Since I know nothing about the Jewish people other than they are God's chosen people (Why?), I had to vote that I cannot agree with any of it.
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    In 1943-1945 Christian Leader Adolf Hitler
    of Christitan nation Germany killed six million
    Jews in the name of 'Christ'.
    Well, 'Christ' isn't a name, it is a TITLE.

    Jews reject the title 'Christ' or 'Christian' and
    those who bear it.

    Personally I'd rather use the Jewish 'Messiah'
    than the Greek 'Christ' - if it offend my Jewish
    Brother.

    'Messiah' - Jewish for "the anointed one of God"
    'Christ' - Greek for "the anointed one of God"
     
  8. Alcott

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    The numbers and percentages can be difficult to glean with confidence, but I have found a site which may give a fair idea: http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/21money.htm
    Understand I don't know the competence or the motives of this site and its information.

    "In 1999 the Jewish Week worried about an "ugly racial clash" between striking professional basketball players (85% black) and the team's owners, of which "nearly half of
    the 29 team's owners were Jewish...
    By the early 1980s Jewish individuals owned or controlled a huge number of professional baseball, basketball, football, hockey and other sports teams. A sample includes the San Diego Chargers, Seattle Supersonics, Milwaukee Brewers, San Francisco Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Chicago Black Hawks, Cleveland Browns (Art Modell), Oakland A's, and part of the New York Knicks....
    Philip Mack owned the Minnesota Twins. Richard Bloch was president of the Phoenix Suns and also the chairman of the owners’ Board of Governors. A Jewish entrepreneur, Ed Snider, still owns the Philadelphia Flyers pro hockey team (he also a board member of the Simon Wiesenthal Holocaust museum in Los Angeles. He also owns Prism, the largest regional pay-per-view TV network in America, as well as Spectacor, which includes TicketMaster and the Philadelphia Spectrum sports center). Irwin Jacobs controlled the Minnesota Vikings. Jeff Smulyan, the CEO of Emmis Broadcasting, owned the Seattle Mariners ("Smulyan has won civil service awards for his efforts on behalf of Jewish causes ... Reclaimed land in Israel has even been forested in his name." [PRICE, p. C1] Howard Schultz, CEO of Starbucks coffee stop chain (subject to a boycott by activists agsinst Schultz's support for state of Israel), also owns the Seattle SuperSonics basket ball team.
    Bud Adams owns the (football) Tennessee Oilers (formerly in Houston) and Les Alexander owns the (basketball) Houston Rockets. Al Davis also eventually owned the Oakland Raiders, Carroll Rosenbloom the Los Angeles Rams, and Abe Pollin not only the Washington Wizards but also the Washington Capitals."

    Another quote referring to Jewish 'success' in America:
    "Jewish success in America," says Henry Feingold, "appears to rest partly on the pre-existing Jewish culture (which gives it behavioral cues, a unique entrepreneurial vision, plus connections and capital); and American culture (which gives it a success ethos, economic opportunity, and open society)." [FEINGOLD, p. 41] "Jews," noted Israeli scholar Boas Evron in 1995, "are among the most powerful, best integrated and wealthy groups in the United States, Britain, and France." [EVRON, p. 48] "Jews," adds Joseph Heckelman, "are disproportionately visible in every area of human endeavor. In other words, Jews are disproportionately successful." [HECKELMAN, J., p. 68] "Success is a basic fact of Jewish American life," observed Roger Kahn in 1968, "... Success surrounds and infuses their lives. Success in business; success in educating children; success in entering the most hotly-sought endeavors. Jews are business owners, business managers, professionals, writers and artists. Few are laborers. Virtually none is a farmhand." [KAHN, R., p. 4] "We didn't progress because we were Jewish," a Jewish factory owner in Brooklyn told researcher Jonathan Rider in 1985, "but because we are a driving, pushing people." [REIDER, J., 1985, p. 45]"

    And one more quote relating directly to the poll questions:
    "Asserting fears of anti-Semitism, Jews try to keep their collective economic power from being widely known by non-Jews. "Some Jews," writes Edward Shapiro, "are embarrassed by references to Jewish affluence for fear that any discussion will encourage the anti-Semitic stereotype of vast Jewish wealth and economic power ..."
     
  9. Bro. James Reed

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    Bud Adams is Jewish? I did not know that.

    I guess ******** come in all kinds.

    *Note: I censored myself. Anyone from Houston knows what I mean.:thumbs:
     
  10. bobbyd

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    Was this poll created by some kind of Jew? LOL! Just kidding...but i don't get the poll.
     
  11. Steven2006

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    I really don't see the point in taking a poll like this. It seems offensive in my opinion.
     
  12. Alcott

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    The "point of this poll" is picking up on a news story in which a man, the head basketball coach, said that Jews have a lot of power, money, and influence, which in his business he lived with. The term "anti-semitism" was attached to his remarks. I doubt if anti-Korean or anti-Indian would be attached to someone who said these foreign-born entrepeneurs have become successful in the convenience store or the motel business. So why are Jews so sensitive about being termed "successful" or "affluent?" I think it's a valid question.

    Incidentally, exactly why do you consider it "offensive?"
     
  13. donnA

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    Wouldn't you think successful and affluent would be a good thing? I guess it is unless your jewish.
     
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    Because the idea that "Jews are crafty and cunning" were the beginning of a rant to incite riots.

    There's an old story about a poor Jewish peasant in Russia who subscribed to a very anti-semitic newspaper. The newspaper constantly had stories that Jews were behind all the misery of the poor.

    The Jewish man was asked why he spent his money on that nonsense.

    He replied, "I just like to read how powerful we really are"
     
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    Succesful and affluent are the same as crafty and cumming.
     
  16. Steven2006

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    Well, were do I even begin? First, while I have been a long fan of Sugar Ray's, his comments, while I believe made more from ignorance not malice were indeed anti-Semitic.

    But this poll made me cringe. I was embarrassed to see it on a Christian message board. I only hope that if a Jew would happen on this site to find out answers about Christ, he would never stumble across this poll.
    The only way I can see this poll is this. You read about the article. You do not understand enough on the subject to understand why this is considered offensive to Jewish people. But then for some reason you were bothered by the fact that people complained and called it anti-Semitism. Bothered enough in fact that you made up a poll to see if you can find enough other people to agree with you that Jews are just to sensitive and shouldn't be offended. You even title the poll "Jewish sensitivities", rather than anti-Semitism. Like it is really just the Jews fault for being over sensitive. Even the questions seem to be phrased in a way that are leading, and reinforce prejudice. I will give one example. You don't ask, do you believe Jews have disproportionately substantial money and power"? you say "is it not true"

    I almost didn't even want to answer you question, because this is not a debate thread, and answering these types of things usually lead to even worse things being said. But the poll threads do say voice you opinion, so I guess this one post is my doing that.

    I am sure you don't mean any malice. I would recommend that you study how some of these types of stereotypes have been used in the past against the Jews. See how these types of things lead to fear and hate that lead to their persecution. I would think if you or your family had gone through the holocaust you might be a little "sensitive" to these types of stereotypes as well.

    I know it might sound like I am coming down hard on you, and believe me I am trying not to. But I do believe it is very important for us as Christians to be aware of the consequences of our actions in this area. If you understood more how Jews looked to us (Christians) in these examples and how big a witness it is to them (good or bad), I think you would understand better where I am coming from. Keep in mind, that from a Jews perspective, all proclaimed Christians are pretty much Christian. So If you look at the history of the crusades we see many Jews were forced to die or convert, thousands died. In their mind that was us "Christians". If a Jew read this poll, sadly these are the type of things that would come to mind, not the love of Christ.

    I grew up with many Jewish friends, and believe me these types of things from Christians do hurt them. That alone should be reason to not want to say them, but for me the big thing is the chance we have to be a witness to them, and nothing sets back that witness more then exactly these types of comments. I believe many Jews grow up with a little extra curiosity about Jesus. Lets face it He is their Messiah, his ancestors just didn't recognize it and rejected Him. It is my experience though that many Jews have to question, did their people get it right? I believe that down deep many Jews look towards us (Christians) for answers to this question. Now this can be positive, by showing Christ like love, or negative, by reinforcing how they have been taught that Jesus is not the Messiah. When it comes to the witness to Jews, our action do speak volumes to them.

    I hope this post is received in the spirit it is intended. Please forgive me for my frankness, I feel the topic requires it.
     
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    The largest semitic group in the world today are those that speak Arabic (250+million). Those that speak Hebrew, also a semitic language, number around 5 million and represent less than 2% of the 300 million semitic speaking peoples. Thus, the comments from the OP are in no way anti-semitic to the majority of semites today but are rather, potentially offensive to a minority of semites. However, we have not established whether or not the basketball owners et al. in question even speak Hebrew so add'l information would be required. Further, the Richardson comments did not appear to be directed towards the Hebrew speaking peoples but rather to Jews or at least Jews that say they are Jews.

    I imagine by your quotes around "Christians", you recognize this. However, for clarity, the crusades were not a Christian action but a Catholic action. If the Jews are holding the crusades against Christians, there is not much we can do to refute their ignorance accept for attempt to educate them.
     
  18. Enoch

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    I can not vote agreement with any of the above statements
     
  19. Barnabas H.

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    I agree. And the reason is, the questions are not Bible oriented. :type:
     
  20. Alcott

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    Are you going to post this same thing in the "Is bald sexy" poll?
     

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